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Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154323#msg1154323
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:52:12 pm »
NAME:
Dodo
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 3
TEXT:
Dodo enters play burrowed.
If Dodo dies, whoever killed it gains 20 HP and draws a card.
:time - Burrow/Unburrow

NAME:
Grand Dodo
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 3
TEXT:
Dodo enters play burrowed.
If Dodo dies, whoever killed it gains 20 HP and draws a card.
:time - Burrow/Unburrow


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Dodos are prized, rare animals, right?
So they hide in the trees to stop you killing them. (Burrowing)
If you kill one, you gain goodies and a trophy (the 20 HP and the card draw)
BUT, they do hurt quite a bit (unburrowing) so you better be careful.

This card is airborne only for the sake of funny sky blitz scenarios.
Dodos can't tunnel either, but card constrictions.
This card is balanced based on graboid.

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154324#msg1154324
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 09:55:28 pm »
Unless I am mistaken, 'balanced based on graboid' says that this will become 8|3 and 12|3 after it unburrows.  Wut.
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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154326#msg1154326
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 10:01:02 pm »
Unless I am mistaken, 'balanced based on graboid' says that this will become 8|3 and 12|3 after it unburrows.  Wut.

Unburrowing doubles damage.
So yup.

It's not like you're going to pay 5 time and 5 aether to quint/SoW it giving immortal...Stuff, and it loses its adrenaline combo that a frog will give it. And CC is quite... Visible these days.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2014, 10:03:06 pm by Frozengaia »

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154337#msg1154337
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 10:51:38 pm »
In its current state its an immortal with lower cost and the possibility to double its dmg or combo with immolation. It hardcounters CC as long as its borrowed, so CC is not really a counter to this card. Also, Precog can into usefulness (spot CC).
Balancing against Graboid: Even if we ignore the fact that I believe that Graboid is already op, this card deals strictly more dmg than Graboid/Shrieker. Graboid has duo-cost so balancing theorywise the costs of these 2 cards are identical. Reduce dmg of upped by 2 and unupped by 1 and we can start discussing, in what decks we could put it, because right now the answer would be all the decks with :time-quanta.
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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154351#msg1154351
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 11:32:40 pm »
Dodo, however:
- Must unburrow to deal any amount of decent damage (A la shrieker (Immortal is rather weak without SoW anyways (You can't SoW burrowed creatures.)))
- Will probably make you lose the game somewhat if it dies (How many people bolt shriekers? (Heal has been noted to be rather weak, too. Card draw less so.))
- Deals the exact same amount of damage unupped and 2 more than an upped shrieker at the price of -1 HP.

And graboids... Aren't OP. They're one of the strongest hitters in the game, yes. But that's also because they're easy to fit into rainbow decks built around them with just novas and an earth mark. That allows you to splash in basically anything you need that a mere duo would disallow.
This card, with its 5 time quanta to unburrow, prevents that from happening.

The ATK is fine. Another stat is wrong.
Perhaps the creature shouldn't enter burrowed. I'd be more than happy to reduce the HP to 1, too.

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154352#msg1154352
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 11:37:42 pm »
What if both me and my opponent poison this?

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154367#msg1154367
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 12:51:23 am »
It is still strictly better than Immortal, when Shard of Wisdom is not involved.

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154396#msg1154396
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 12:31:54 pm »
Red nymph ftw, high HP --> high att
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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154398#msg1154398
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 12:52:12 pm »
It is still strictly better than Immortal, when Shard of Wisdom is not involved.

And immortal kinda sucks anyways without SoW. >:U

What if both me and my opponent poison this?
Both would get the HP and draw.

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154434#msg1154434
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 07:05:20 pm »
And immortal kinda sucks anyways without SoW. >:U
That is not a reason to create a card that is strictly better.

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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154436#msg1154436
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 07:09:35 pm »
Maybe change it from "whoever kills it gets 20 hp" to "if it dies opponent gets 20 hp"?
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Re: Dodo | Grand Dodo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55630.msg1154441#msg1154441
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 07:27:29 pm »
And immortal kinda sucks anyways without SoW. >:U
That is not a reason to create a card that is strictly better.

That is a perfectly valid reason to create a card that is strictly better.
This card is strictly better than blue crawler, too. So?
Immortal is bad and blue crawler is bad, and this shouldn't be dragged down to the same level.
This card is attempting to be on par with graboid, which has proven itself to be a good card. Maybe too good, but I don't think it's OP. And if we're going by graboid standards, than it's completely fine.

Does this card need a change?... Yeah, go on.
But the ATK is fine. Another stat is wrong.

Maybe change it from "whoever kills it gets 20 hp" to "if it dies opponent gets 20 hp"?
I doubt that would change too much or fix the problem at hand, but I'm happy to do that.
Currently, I'm looking at 30 life and 2 cards if you kill it with 1 HP. I don't want it to be so so advantageous that you never want to unburrow it, but good enough to worth risking.

 

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