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Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130369#msg1130369
« on: March 21, 2014, 11:51:32 pm »
NAME:
Ditcher
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
7 :earth
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 8
TEXT:
Last Ditch: This monster can't be killed with damage above it's current health. If so, creature attacks twice.
NAME:
Minor Ditcher
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
3 :earth
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 3
TEXT:
Last Ditch: This monster can't be killed with damage above it's current health. If so, deal 10 damage to the enemy.

ART:
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« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 06:22:28 pm by deathreign3 »

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130371#msg1130371
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 12:15:20 am »
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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130372#msg1130372
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 12:18:08 am »
I got t from google.
that counts as a free source

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130374#msg1130374
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 12:42:03 am »
No, it doesn't.

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130376#msg1130376
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 12:45:53 am »
Wait, so you can only CC this card if you deal exactly as much damage as health it has? What happens if you try to lightning the Minor Ditcher? It takes no damage, and deals 10?

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130377#msg1130377
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 12:51:37 am »
In the world of Elements monsters called creatures.

I got it from Google.
That counts as a free source.

Google is NOT the source of the picture. Google only redirects you to the source, does not have any right to 'use' the art or make it open.

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130382#msg1130382
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 02:20:12 am »
i'm just thinking about poison (that deal dmg more than mhp) and adrenaline...   some thing like that.

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130388#msg1130388
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 05:55:37 am »
Looks like the unupgraded version is too weak — with only 3 ATK opponents would not waste their time to try killing it, and if you wanted to abuse the mechanic yourself, I honestly think you'd be much better off with a Stone Dragon.

The upped version could be the opposite. 3 :earth is really cheap for a CC resistant creature with 6 ATK. Consider Flesh Recluse, 3 :death 6|3, but with a really naff ability. He does compare better with Minor Phoenix though. The cost:ATK ratio is the same, and his resistance to CC is also limited. We are to assume Paradox and Devour kill him right? What if he has 2 poison, but only 1HP? Also, what about Freeze+Shockwave?

Personally, I think to balance this card out you should drop the additional 10 damage stuff - as staying alive is powerful enough.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 05:58:05 am by UndeadSpider1990 »
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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130426#msg1130426
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 02:35:28 pm »
the unupped not powerfull enough?
consider using 2 rage potions on it.
it becomes 13|3, and hits an additional 26 damage for not dying.
-assuming it attacks after the spell got cast, as the text suggests.
a 3rd pot makes it 18|3, and it deals a total of 62 damage.

ditcher + momentum + 5 rage potions = 210 damage OTK,
using 7 :earth, 2 :gravity, and 15 :fire, in an unupped 7-card combo.
a 6th rage potion would increase the damage to 285.
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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130428#msg1130428
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 02:46:20 pm »
the unupped not powerfull enough?
consider using 2 rage potions on it.
it becomes 13|3, and hits an additional 26 damage for not dying.
-assuming it attacks after the spell got cast, as the text suggests.
a 3rd pot makes it 18|3, and it deals a total of 62 damage.

ditcher + momentum + 5 rage potions = 210 damage OTK,
using 7 :earth, 2 :gravity, and 15 :fire, in an unupped 7-card combo.
a 6th rage potion would increase the damage to 285.

Actually, it's because there are inconsistency between Blessing and Rage Potion. Both of them gives stats (not just healing/damage), so the 'lost' HP from RP shouldn't healed back (yes, it's does that atm :/ ). But by this point, RP will kill it, because RP won't deal damage to it, but sets it's full HP to 0 -> Full HP can't be more than actual HP -> dies .

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130429#msg1130429
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 02:48:19 pm »
I got t from google.
that counts as a free source

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Re: Ditcher | Minor Ditcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54081.msg1130479#msg1130479
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 10:25:09 pm »
Lets clear some things
---I put the username of the author and I believe it is free to use.
-This monster dies naturally when targeted with poison, alfatoxin, reverse time (I know it isn't kill, just roll with it), dry spell (Nice try), flooding (Another Nice Try), or when any card that also buffs it is used with the exception of rage potion (Acceleration for example buffs and damages a monster). Same thing with upped card versions
-This monster's skill is immune to lobotomization. So it is like the devourer's skill to steal quanta, which can't be destroyed. Same thing with upped card versions
-I like the fact that an OTK has already been established for this card. If the creators decide to put it an elements, it could be a potential FG deck and the structure could be similar to fire cell
Weaknesses:
Immortality (How can its skill activate if you can't kill it?)
Antimatter (Could screw up a lot of strategies)
Dry Spell and Flooding (These are the only CC cards that can kill the creature naturally)
Alfatoxin and Poison (Natural Death again)
Healing of any kind (Effect can't activate if you keep healing it)

Strengths:
Enemy must deal exact damage with any CC cards other than the ones mentioned above to kill creature naturally
A lot of CC backfires against it
Can be used with Gravity Pull to force enemy to rethink their strategy


 

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