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Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460327#msg460327
« on: February 14, 2012, 07:06:44 pm »
NAME:
Distort
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
2 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target permanent goes out of phase for 2 turns.
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TEXT:
Target permanent goes out of phase for 2 turns.
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"Out of Phase" means its effects are nullified. Provides PC for Aether. Counters on Permanents continue to tick while out of phase. Temporarily reduces stack size for stackable permanents (pillars, SoG, etc). Also, the permanent itself is affected, not the slot (so replacing an affected shield would override this effect).
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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460379#msg460379
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 10:02:48 pm »
Interesting. A couple of questions:
1) Will effects continue counting down while out of phase? E.g. freeze, delay, counters on sundial, etc.
2) By permanents do you mean only non-creature objects or both creatures and non-creatures?
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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460445#msg460445
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 01:30:47 am »
A couple of questions.
Why is it worth 4|3 quanta when it's way less powerful than steal or deflag?
Would this make mono aether too powerful now that it has PC, CC, immortal creatures, and a powerful shield?

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460474#msg460474
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 02:46:46 am »
Interesting. A couple of questions:
1) Will effects continue counting down while out of phase? E.g. freeze, delay, counters on sundial, etc.
2) By permanents do you mean only non-creature objects or both creatures and non-creatures?
1) Yes, counters continue while the permanent is out of phase. It's worth noting that the permanent itself is affected, not the slot (so replacing an affected shield would override this effect).
2) Permanents are non-creature, non-spell cards.

A couple of questions.
Why is it worth 4|3 quanta when it's way less powerful than steal or deflag?
Would this make mono aether too powerful now that it has PC, CC, immortal creatures, and a powerful shield?
I don't quite understand how this card is both underpowered, yet makes Aether overpowered.

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460477#msg460477
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 02:52:23 am »
A couple of questions.
Why is it worth 4|3 quanta when it's way less powerful than steal or deflag?
Would this make mono aether too powerful now that it has PC, CC, immortal creatures, and a powerful shield?
I don't quite understand how this card is both underpowered, yet makes Aether overpowered.
I didn't say anything about it being OP or UP. I'm asking your current opinion on it. It looks fine to me. Just asking your thoughts on it and synergy with aether, as well as why you chose the cost.

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460482#msg460482
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 03:00:14 am »
I didn't say anything about it being OP or UP. I'm asking your current opinion on it. It looks fine to me. Just asking your thoughts on it and synergy with aether, as well as why you chose the cost.
Np, I was just trying to understand your questions.

Cost: You make a good point. I'll consider this more, as I can't recall my original reasoning.

I don't think Aether having PC, CC, good offense, & good defense makes it too powerful. It makes it complete.

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460483#msg460483
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 03:01:36 am »
How would this affect pillars and such?  Just null the entire stack?
How does it affect things with counters (e.g. Wings, Sundial, Cloak)?  Will the counters pass when out of phase, or will that be frozen too?

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460485#msg460485
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 03:06:01 am »
How would this affect pillars and such?  Just null the entire stack?
How does it affect things with counters (e.g. Wings, Sundial, Cloak)?  Will the counters pass when out of phase, or will that be frozen too?
I imagine either pillars are untargetable by this spell (the easy answer), or it only affects one pillar per stack per spell cast. Not sure if the code could allow for that, though. Same question could apply to all stackable perms (SoG comes to mind).

Any  thoughts on this?

Also, as stated above, counters continue counting.

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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460496#msg460496
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 03:54:39 am »
Counters continue counting. First thing comes into mind is Dim Shield stall battle.
Anyway, seems good. Maybe decrease the cost to 3 :aether|2 :aether or 2 :aether|1 :aether.
Another question. If the hypothetical Dim Shield stall battle do happen, if i use this on opponent's Dim Shield, can he use another Shield that's undistorted? (to replace the distorted one) Or does this act like freeze, freezing the weapon slot instead of the weapon itself?
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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460498#msg460498
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 04:05:33 am »
 "phases out" makes more sense than "out of phase" imo
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Re: Distort | Sequester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36684.msg460720#msg460720
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 08:14:48 pm »
Updated OP. Now costs 2 :aether | 1 :aether and temporarily reduces stack size of stackable permanents when targeted.


Another question. If the hypothetical Dim Shield stall battle do happen, if i use this on opponent's Dim Shield, can he use another Shield that's undistorted? (to replace the distorted one) Or does this act like freeze, freezing the weapon slot instead of the weapon itself?
It's worth noting that the permanent itself is affected, not the slot (so replacing an affected shield would override this effect).

 

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