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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23281#msg23281
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2010, 02:04:50 am »
momentum would make this shield useless.
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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23286#msg23286
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2010, 02:37:26 am »
momentum would make this shield useless.
 Yeah, but if we go by that particular logic, then the whole competition is pointless because momentum would make all the shield effects useless bar reflect and immortality.

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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23288#msg23288
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 02:43:11 am »
momentum would make this shield useless.
 Yeah, but if we go by that particular logic, then the whole competition is pointless because momentum would make all the shield effects useless bar reflect and immortality.
i was answering terroking's question. not bashing on the card
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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23390#msg23390
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 12:47:05 pm »
like it - you could use adrenaline to make certain creatures immune
That could be an issue... how many times would an Armagio attack? Based on it's usual atk it'd get 4 hits, but based on the reversed stats it'd only get one.

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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23564#msg23564
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 05:09:43 am »
I actually made a "Mirror World" card AGES ago, and it reverses the ATK and HP of all creatures on the field. Yeah, the problem with this kind of ability is that it'll be INSTAKILLZ0RZ with Armagios and Massive Dragons and Flying Titans... And BASILISK BLOOD.

But really... Flying Titan's HP is way too high. I think it should be nerfed to 30 or lower.
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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23575#msg23575
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 07:21:26 am »
Heh, this fits great into entropy, awesome idea BTW.
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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23594#msg23594
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2010, 11:39:34 am »
This already has my vote.

Really interesting concept.

@Bloodshadow... Basilisks Blood stuns your creature for 6 turns... Now, I don't know what kind of game of elements you're playing, but 6 turns is pretty much an entire game. Even if you did manage to get a 1/45 Armaggio (or even a 1/65) he would have to attack once, dealing 1 damage first, to have his stats reversed... Then there would be a 1 hit point creature with 65 attack power.... Unless you were smart and carried a Quint to protect him... but even then you're looking at a Gravity/Earth/Aether combo with a 6 to 12 turn delay on any sort of damage return. Even if you put in an adrenaline (slowing your deck down even more...)

Any deck which cannot deal with that threat (65/1 armaggio) is a fail (in my opinion). Personally I'd carry 3 to 6 Twin Universes and spam them as soon as the 65/1 armaggio becomes a target :). Suck on that!


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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23616#msg23616
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2010, 01:38:16 pm »
Titan has Momentum, so it isn't affected by the shield.

Also, well... high HP has never been a problem.

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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23637#msg23637
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2010, 04:55:26 pm »
Bob is right, high HP is good and the card isn't OP by any means. After all, you can't make a deck based on this (as the old FG killer was based on SD's) because, as it was pointed before, HP is almost equal to attack (that is, most of the times).
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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23679#msg23679
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2010, 07:33:34 pm »
The strength of this card is debatable.

Against certain creatures, it's perfect:
Otyugh 1/3 or 1/6 (after devouring 1 creature) - useless otyugh unless his hp is buffed/or attacks again

Against other creatures, it's a bit pointless:
Cockatrice 4/4, Horned Frog 3/3, pretty much anything with equal offense to defense.

Against a number of creatures with adrenaline it is a penalty to yourself:
Armaggio 1/25 with adrenaline attacks once for 1, attacks again for 25, returns to a 1/25 creature.

Another odd example
A spark would attack once then become a 0/3 creature.

Think this has been said before, but I think if a creature with antimatter was to attack (ie, negative offense) it should still be affected - ie, dying. So the heal would go through and then the creature would die. This at least gives Entropy a way of creature control other than the very rare case of Mutation causing an instant kill. My thought behind this is, you play this card, wait for your opponents colossal dragon to attack once - antimatter it, gain mega hp back and he loses his dragon... Sure its very case specific, but how often do you think people would 1) use this shield or 2) use antimatters?

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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg23688#msg23688
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2010, 08:10:13 pm »
This at least gives Entropy a way of creature control other than the very rare case of Mutation causing an instant kill.
Entropy has Maxwell's Demon, and that's where this shields strength really lies.

Antimattered critters being affected could be useful, but usually you'll antimatter critters with big attack rather than those with abilities...

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Re: Disruption Wall: Shield Competition entry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2758.msg24148#msg24148
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 12:59:50 am »
A couple of questions:

a) Would this kill anti-mattered creatures?   -12/3 would become 3/-12.....so I assume -12 hp would not be compatible with life, right?

b) Would playing a second Disruption Wall reverse everything back?   It'd be a way to remove antimattered creatures and unfed otyughs, then revert everything back to normal.
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