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Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg193899#msg193899
« on: November 05, 2010, 04:12:28 am »
NAME:
Determined Reaper
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|6
TEXT:
Gain +1/+1 every time your opponent heals.
NAME:
Enraged Reaper
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|7
TEXT:
Gains +1/+1 whenever this creature does not deal damage or your opponent heals.
ART:
None
IDEA:
Oliby
NOTES:
Each time a heal effect triggers for your opponent, such as each individual Shard of Gratitude or a Purify, the Reaper gains power. Antimattered creatures also triggers it. Exception is that Emphatic/Feral Bonds only trigger it once. This ability is passive.
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Any suggestion on how this idea could be improved? Part of the reason for this card is to stop what I feel is the over use of SoG, but I feel the cost could be too low for the Reapers.

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg193902#msg193902
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 04:18:49 am »
possibly increase upped price by 1  :death
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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194107#msg194107
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 12:51:57 pm »
I don't really think that's such a good card. Death relies on the opponent (or you) weakening, not healing. It doesn't suit the element. If you were to make it a Life creature with a name starting with 'loyal' then I'd be able to understand it.
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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194110#msg194110
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 01:06:50 pm »
Oh man, this is a lovely counter to SoG's. I like it!
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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194156#msg194156
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 03:23:04 pm »
I don't really think that's such a good card. Death relies on the opponent (or you) weakening, not healing. It doesn't suit the element. If you were to make it a Life creature with a name starting with 'loyal' then I'd be able to understand it.
I see what you mean how this idea can be considered Life, but I made it for Death because I see healing, specifically SoGs, as a way of cheating Death. So, every time that Death is delayed by healing, the Reapers gets angrier.

Cost of the upgraded form increased by 1.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I'll try to find art for this idea soon.

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194158#msg194158
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 03:26:08 pm »
Wonderful idea.  Sundial+Enraged Reaper poison deck, anyone?

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194159#msg194159
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 03:27:20 pm »
Actually, I like the card as it is. It's not OP and requires an opponent do something for the card to gain strength or it's a weak card. I can even see some intresting synergies here as well. Nice concept ;)

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194192#msg194192
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 04:57:02 pm »
This seems like a hard counter to SoGs. Couple of those on the field could turn this thing into a monster. And yet its balanced by the fact that it turns into a dead expensive card if your opponent has no healing per turn cards in the deck. Thumbs up!

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194228#msg194228
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 06:28:25 pm »
Actually, this is incredibly imbalanced against bonds. They heal up to 24 times a turn or something... This would be a monster in no time.

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194249#msg194249
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 07:03:56 pm »
Aye. Even against SoG's, they will grow very, very fast. Faster than any growth creature against most decks that use SoG's, and without a cost. I suggest removing Immaterial and keeping the gain at +1/+1 for upped and simply reducing the cost.
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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194273#msg194273
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2010, 07:33:04 pm »
Oh yeah, I forgot about Bonds  ;D
Immaterial is a big deal, I wouldnt remove it, or you'd get situational Vulture (that cant find its place in any competitive deck). Instead, I would suggest growth based on amount healed / 5 or something like that.

IMO, something like this must be a big threat, as you cant really force your opponent to heal (well, there's AM on your own creatures, but then you're spending loads of quanta and cards to set it up).
OR it has to have silly cost like Purify (even though Purify is still hardly ever used).

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Re: Determined Reaper l Enraged Reaper https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15188.msg194282#msg194282
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2010, 07:40:37 pm »
It'd grow ten times faster than any vulture ever, and healing is almost as common as creature death in the upped environment. Unupped, it'd be much less good, of course. Thing is, I don't think we can have an Immaterial growing creature. I don't see any way to balance that. Even with Permafrost, you can still pump out six of these babies and they'll be so much better than any Immortal/Phase Dragon it's not even funny.
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