Icarus | Daedalus

[Pineapple]

NAME: Icarus ELEMENT: Time COST: 1 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 1 | 1 TEXT: : Rise Generate and double Icarus's attack. Icarus dies if ATK > 10.	NAME: Daedalus ELEMENT: Time COST: 2 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 5 TEXT: : Rise Generate and double Daedalus's attack. Daedalus dies if ATK > 10.

ART: Royalty Free: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1034180/ IDEA: patchx94 NOTES: V2: limit of 10 on ATK. V1: no limit on ATK. Time because they are characters from classical myth. Air because they are using wings to fly higher. Fire/Light because rising brings you closer to the sun. SERIES:

[waterzx]

Getting  seems not very useful to me except in a rainbow deck.

[Mathematistic]

Basically, dive?

Getting  seems not very useful to me except in a rainbow deck.

Either use for more blessing or use for more PC. Quite multi-functional and fits well thematically.

[waterzx]

Basically, dive?

Getting  seems not very useful to me except in a rainbow deck.

Either use for more blessing or use for more PC. Quite multi-functional and fits well thematically.

Then you are at least running a Trio-deck. But I'd prefer rainbow if I'm not gonna waste the quanta

[zhangvict]

Do not underestimate the power of attack doubling. I can see very good synergies with blessing and rage potion, plus SoF. 2 blessing + Rage elixir + rise = 28 atk, possibly 34 with SoF and 68 with sky blitz as well.

[Pineapple]

Basically, dive?

I guess you could say that.

Getting  seems not very useful to me except in a rainbow deck.

Either use for more blessing or use for more PC. Quite multi-functional and fits well thematically.

Then you are at least running a Trio-deck. But I'd prefer rainbow if I'm not gonna waste the quanta

You could always just waste the quanta. It's not like the ability would be overpriced without the quanta generation.

Do not underestimate the power of attack doubling. I can see very good synergies with blessing and rage potion, plus SoF. 2 blessing + Rage elixir + rise = 28 atk, possibly 34 with SoF and 68 with sky blitz as well.

Indeed, I may add an "Icarus/Daedalus dies if ATK>30." clause. Anyways, the same thing can also be done with a Pegasus, with +2 quanta for +2 starting attack (there's no real difference between an early 30-30-30 with a pegasus and a late 30-60 with a Daedalus).

[Pineapple]

V2 Marker.

[OdinVanguard]

This might be slightly OP actually.
For 3  and 1  you get an 8 | 1 creature and spare  and  quanta. (2 and 2 for the upped)
Thats a 2 to 1 damage to cost ratio, and it climbs at least as fast as other pumpables.
Does the creature die immediately after rising above 10 or at the end of the round? If its the latter, this will be pretty ugly in conjunction with sky blitz (32 pts of damage).

This actually could be fairly useful in certain duos. For instance, to power sundials and unstable gas. Or also to power shards due to the 2 : 1 conversion rate.
It would probably be seen most in rainbow decks though.

[Drake_XIV]

Just a bit of nitpickiness, but Daedalus doesn't die in his flight, if I remember correctly.  With that in mind, I have several suggestions.

1.  Remove the limit on Daedalus

Just to follow what I believe to be true, his lack of death means that he can indeed fly a tad higher.  In order to balance that, I have a few more ideas.  Sure, you could argue that he never does get as high as his son, but I'm going for him having traveled farther rather than higher with this suggestion.

2.  Have Icarus have a higher base stat set while Daedalus has a lower base attack.

Just to work with the suggestion of Daedalus having no limits.

3.  Double cost for rise.

Dive on a non-   creature [Pegasus] costs only 1 .  Since this will be a permanent boost and reusable at that, it seems reasonable to double the cost as well.

[Pineapple]

This might be slightly OP actually.
For 3  and 1  you get an 8 | 1 creature and spare  and  quanta. (2 and 2 for the upped)
Thats a 2 to 1 damage to cost ratio, and it climbs at least as fast as other pumpables.

It climbs as fast and costs less, but it's limit is at Graboid (unlike other pumpables) and is twice-to-thrice as slow as Graboid.
I believe the extra (compared to Graboid) quanta production is balanced by the slower rate of attack and the fact that you cannot efficiently use all the quanta (quartet? good luck.) outside of a rainbow.

Does the creature die immediately after rising above 10 or at the end of the round? If its the latter, this will be pretty ugly in conjunction with sky blitz (32 pts of damage).

I'm probably going to go with ATK>10, like how HP<1 is checked after CC.

This actually could be fairly useful in certain duos. For instance, to power sundials and unstable gas. Or also to power shards due to the 2 : 1 conversion rate.
It would probably be seen most in rainbow decks though.

Noted.

Just a bit of nitpickiness, but Daedalus doesn't die in his flight, if I remember correctly.  With that in mind, I have several suggestions.

1.  Remove the limit on Daedalus

Just to follow what I believe to be true, his lack of death means that he can indeed fly a tad higher.  In order to balance that, I have a few more ideas.  Sure, you could argue that he never does get as high as his son, but I'm going for him having traveled farther rather than higher with this suggestion.

2.  Have Icarus have a higher base stat set while Daedalus has a lower base attack.

Just to work with the suggestion of Daedalus having no limits.

It is never implied that Daedalus can fly higher than Icarus. In fact, the exact opposite is implied: If Daedalus were to chase the sun like Icarus, then Daedalus too would have had his wings melted off. So, thematically, Daedalus should have the same limit in height (ATK) as Icarus, just not the need/ability to fly as much (because he's more prudent).

3.  Double cost for rise.

Dive on a non-   creature [Pegasus] costs only 1 .  Since this will be a permanent boost and reusable at that, it seems reasonable to double the cost as well.

Peggy starts with 3-4 ATK (and has no limit after buffs/TU) and the lower cost is balanced by the limit on ATK.

Turn #	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Damage From Pegasus	3	9	15	21	27	33	39
Damage From Icarus	1	3	7	15	23	31	39

Peggy starts with 3-4 ATK (and has no limit after buffs/TU)

Turn #	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Damage From Elite Pegasus	4	12	20	28	36	44	52
Damage From Daedalus	2	6	14	22	30	38	46