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Re: Starlit Wyrm | Astral Wyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36798.msg462077#msg462077
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2012, 04:52:53 am »
But you still need to be able to set that up.  And the buff is easily nulled by mass CC.
>Implying fractl/rol is hard to set up.
>Implying mass CC is common in the metagame.

Heck, you could even do a deck made of just fractal, this card, photons, and luciferase.

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Re: Starlit Wyrm | Astral Wyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36798.msg462083#msg462083
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2012, 05:03:05 am »
But you still need to be able to set that up.  And the buff is easily nulled by mass CC.
>Implying fractl/rol is hard to set up.
>Implying mass CC is common in the metagame.

Heck, you could even do a deck made of just fractal, this card, photons, and luciferase.
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I didn't mean to imply that it was hard, just that it can still be prevented and needs time to set up, like everything else.

On that second point, that can always be changed.  If anything, it'd improve usage of mass CC.

New cards are supposed to change gameplay, not conform to it, right?

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Re: Starlit Wyrm | Astral Wyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36798.msg462149#msg462149
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 09:01:58 am »
Compare with the other common RoL/Hope finishers:

Archangel - 6 :light 7|7
Light Dragon - 13 :light 12|12
Crusader - 5 :light + 2 :light (Endow) 8|7 (after Endowing a Lobo)

At 2 :light and 2|2 (+1|+1 for every RoL in play), Astral Wyrm is the clear winner, as you'll surpass Archangel for efficiency after 1 Fractal of RoLs. The aggressively low cost means that it can be Fractal rushed way sooner than Archangel. With a large enough Hope count, Astral Wyrm can burst through and OTK late game without being limited by the quanta cap (unlike Light Dragons).

TL;DR: RoL/Hope makes this card tremendously OP.
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Re: Starlit Wyrm | Astral Wyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36798.msg462216#msg462216
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2012, 04:07:12 pm »
Okay, capping potential boost at 8|8 / 9|9.

 

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