Dead Marshes | Dead Marshes

[AnonymousRevival]

NAME: Dead Marshes ELEMENT: Death COST: 6 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: None TEXT: When a creature dies, a virus is generated.	NAME: Dead Marshes ELEMENT: Death COST: 7 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: None TEXT: When a creature dies, a retrovirus is generated.

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[coinich]

I think its actually a bit costly.  Is it self-perpetuating though?

[OldTrees]

Even with a wait period of one turn before generational death triggers, it is too powerful at its cost.

Think of it as "For each creature that dies or is sacrificed, gain 1 death trigger and 1 infection per turn"

Example
[1 ] Virus
[3 ] Boneyard
[6 ] Dead Marshes
Total: [10 ] 1+X Infection and 1+X Skeleton per turn (X=creatures that die due to infection)

With just that 10 investment you would have exponential growth [2^T to be precise] just by infecting your skeletons.

Also I am not sure if the upgrade is truly an improvement. Retrovirus cannot target your side which would be beneficial.


I see two possible ways to fix the above problem.
1) Make it so either boneyard and/or Dead Marshes does not count the deaths of generated viruses as death triggers.

2) Leave the exponential growth but add a cost (absorb quanta, higher cost, sacrifice a creature without death trigger as tribute, you lose life)

[AnonymousRevival]

Even with a wait period of one turn before generational death triggers, it is too powerful at its cost.

Think of it as "For each creature that dies or is sacrificed, gain 1 death trigger and 1 infection per turn"

Example
[1 ] Virus
[3 ] Boneyard
[6 ] Dead Marshes
Total: [10 ] 1+X Infection and 1+X Skeleton per turn (X=creatures that die due to infection)

With just that 10 investment you would have exponential growth [2^T to be precise] just by infecting your skeletons.

Also I am not sure if the upgrade is truly an improvement. Retrovirus cannot target your side which would be beneficial.


I see two possible ways to fix the above problem.
1) Make it so either boneyard and/or Dead Marshes does not count the deaths of generated viruses as death triggers.

2) Leave the exponential growth but add a cost (absorb quanta, higher cost, sacrifice a creature without death trigger as tribute, you lose life)

Wait, so how much it would cost then?

[OldTrees]

I do not know what the cost would need to be raised to.

I would start with one of
1) 10
2) 6 Absorb 2
3) 8 Tribute 1 (tribute would be coded as the Dead Marshes targeting the tribute)
4) 6 20hp
5) 8 Self Plagued (your side is inflicted with a plague spell)

[SeddyRocky]

This would create a circle effect. For example: 1 deat = 1 retrovirus, which next turn uses ability, dies and creates a new retrovirus. Plus poisoning all enemies, and triggering death effects.

So... I'd advice you to make it like graveyard, dead viruses don't generate viruses.

[AnonymousRevival]

Oh, okay then, how about poisoning the enemy by one counter when something dies then?

[Krahhl]

Just make it so that it only activates when anything other than a virus/retrovirus dies.

[Higurashi]

I've said this in the past: generating Retroviruses is too strong. Viruses are fine, which means you can just lower the cost for the upped card. I wouldn't suggest lowering it by more than 1 though. This is all assuming a Virus generated this way does not trigger death effects.

[AnonymousRevival]

I've said this in the past: generating Retroviruses is too strong. Viruses are fine, which means you can just lower the cost for the upped card. I wouldn't suggest lowering it by more than 1 though. This is all assuming a Virus generated this way does not trigger death effects.

Yeah I thought of that too, but normally an upped card relates to an elite card too, like fate egg and fallen druid.

[Higurashi]

Hatch and Improved Mutation produces random results. This does not. Since the mechanisms that Virus and Retrovirus work by are so different, you can't make that correlation. A Retrovirus can be worth an infinite number of Viruses. The upgrade is possibly the most extreme one, proportionally speaking.

[OldTrees]

I would not be so quick to assume that generating retroviruses is better than viruses.
When virus generation is combined with a boneyard you get a more synergistic effect than if the upgraded cards were used