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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15370#msg15370
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 03:33:48 am »
OmG It's not supposed to be overpowered........ -.-" De-Power it

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15377#msg15377
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 04:23:56 am »
Dude, are you serious about making this card?! I see it as nothing but a joke. There is no way to balance this card. The only way is to not make it at all.

You can't even call this a "card idea". Anyone can think of an instant kill card.

Honestly, did you think at all, about balancing and associated strategies, before you made this card?

Don't say I'm being too harsh. Your psyche isn't that weak.
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15396#msg15396
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 06:51:11 am »
Dude, are you serious about making this card?! I see it as nothing but a joke. There is no way to balance this card. The only way is to not make it at all.

You can't even call this a "card idea". Anyone can think of an instant kill card.

Honestly, did you think at all, about balancing and associated strategies, before you made this card?

Don't say I'm being too harsh. Your psyche isn't that weak.
You're being to harsh. Jokes. Atleast I'm putting out ideas? I got it off magic is all...

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15399#msg15399
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 07:08:12 am »
A card like this can only be some sort of ultra-rare "legendary" or "god" card.
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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15401#msg15401
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2010, 07:36:56 am »
A card like this can only be some sort of ultra-rare "legendary" or "god" card.
The gods have enough advantages as it is :/

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15404#msg15404
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2010, 10:11:08 am »
A good way to balance this card would be "Destroy all creatures. Discard your hand." It should also be expensive.

Tomtom, if you have a problem with criticism, there is a report button. Do not lash out because you disagree with comments. The biggest problem with your card initially was that it was a combination of super-effects in one card. A board clearing effect is fine. A Time Spiral effect is also interesting. Both effects on one card is too powerful.

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15491#msg15491
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2010, 12:49:57 am »
A card like this can only be some sort of ultra-rare "legendary" or "god" card.
The gods have enough advantages as it is :/


I sorta meant something like this. A "legendary" card that can only be won from the extremely difficult Level 7 opponents. Those "legendary" cards should be temporarily excluded from your deck when you're fighting in PvP or T50, because they are extremely overpowered.
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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg15522#msg15522
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2010, 08:42:56 am »
It's not even that strong in Magic the Gathering. All it does there is kill all the creatures. And that game is completely different from this one, don't try to relate the two. In this creatures are very hard to get rid of, you cant just block like you do in Magic. In this game creatures are much more valuable.

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg18213#msg18213
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2010, 04:29:20 am »
It's not even that strong in Magic the Gathering. All it does there is kill all the creatures. And that game is completely different from this one, don't try to relate the two. In this creatures are very hard to get rid of, you cant just block like you do in Magic. In this game creatures are much more valuable.
I didn't exactly relate the 2, I used an example.

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg18243#msg18243
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2010, 01:14:12 pm »
To quote something BobCamel said to me when I first submitted an idea.

'Oh great, another person flouting the "Magic the Gathering" vocabulary and ideas which are like a cancer destroying this game' (more or less).

As pointed out, creatures are extremely valuable in this game - on average you have to spend twice as much quanta to get rid of a creature to remove it outright. Obvious alternatives are Freeze and Rewind which only then provide a temporary solution. Other options at card control are Otyugh, Antimatter and Liquid Shadow. But without explaining the mechanics of a card game in too much detail: the more cards you have, the slower and therefore weaker your deck becomes.

While some sort of global creature control card is needed, we already have Firestorm, 3 Damage to all enemy creatures costing 7 Quanta (5 Upgraded). To have a card which removes ALL creatures from the game (presumably burrowed and immortal ones also) would have to cost a lot more than the 7 for Firestorm.

As for Discarding hands... this could potentially cripple the game-play entirely, depending on how it was implemented. Do the cards return to the players deck? Or are they removed from the game entirely? Either way, this is another extremely powerful tool and should be most definitely reserved to another card.

And finally, as for the 20 damage component. Unstable Gas will be a much cheaper alternative to this, see the In Development section (link is beneath the game itself).

So in summary. Like your Ark of Truth, this card will be better broken down into its core parts and made into two cards.

1. Judgement Day:
Cost 15 Quanta - maybe Fire or Light
Ability: Remove all creatures from play (maybe not kill them, but just peacefully remove them from play to stop Bonewall/Boneyard abuse)

2. Second Chance
Cost 7 Quanta - Maybe Time or Light
Ability: Each player discards all of his cards (back to the deck?) and draws an equal number of cards that he or she had previously.

Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg18258#msg18258
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2010, 04:06:06 pm »
No. Just no. Even "kill one creature" is imbalanced, someone proofed why before in another topic. So, "remove" or "kill" all creatures is just a joke. And a bad one - who's laughing?

Then, and here it's personal : i like the principle in Elements that "your hand is holy". In Elements, your deck is YOURS, cannot be affected by discarding and so on. I dunno if Zanzarino made it on purpose, but i prefer it that way. So... discarding ALL the hand? Quite a big change for that game.

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Re: Day Of Judgement Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1731.msg18265#msg18265
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2010, 04:18:44 pm »
I would like this card more if it cost more and killed all the creatures and permanents, nothing more.

I would like a card like that very much.

 

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