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Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1018930#msg1018930
« on: December 01, 2012, 09:22:44 pm »
NAME:
Wheat Field
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
1 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Gains 1 wheat each turn.
1: Reap - each wheat becomes a quanta of your mark, 1 extra mark quantum if paid with :death.
NAME:
Grain Field
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
:rainbow
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Gains 2 grain each turn.
2: Reap - each grain becomes a quanta of your mark, 1 extra mark quantum if paid with :death.

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NOTES:
This card is a field of wheat. It gains 1 wheat counter per turn, 2 if upped. You can cash this wheat as mark quanta when you want to, but the cost of cashing the wheat prevents you fromcashing every turn.
The ability will be paid in death quanta if possible. Otherwise, it is paid with a random quantum. The upgraded version must be paid with a combination including 1 :death for you to get the bonus.
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« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 11:23:22 pm by Joseph7 »

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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1018958#msg1018958
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 10:38:02 pm »
A simple pillar of your mark would be better than the unupped version, or am I missing something?
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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1018965#msg1018965
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 12:27:09 am »
A simple pillar of your mark would be better than the unupped version, or am I missing something?
The upped version more quickly produces quanta than the first version.
This is not meant to be a substitute for quanta pillars, just supposed to act as a timely quanta generator that more than makes up for its price over time.

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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1018968#msg1018968
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 01:12:00 am »
This could be used to mitigate the quanta you sacrifice with SoSa, for example
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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1019125#msg1019125
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 09:19:01 pm »
Thinking about it a little more, it could be used together with fractal, sky blitz or miracle (you could even do something like a double fractal or sky blitz in the same turn)
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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1019262#msg1019262
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 05:03:56 pm »
This card differs from standard pillars in 2 main ways:

1) As mentioned before, it could allow multiple uses of cards that consume all quanta of a type. This could cause balancing issues. Sadly, not because this card is too powerful, but because that mechanic is often used to balance out other cards that are. Sky-Blitz being a prime example since multiple attack doubling effects can produce extremely large amounts of damage very quickly.

2) A less abusive use is as a counter to denial cards / decks. E.g. if facing a scramble-blackhole or devour-fractal deck, this card can be used to safely store quanta so that the enemy can't absorb it.

One method to prevent abuse would be to only allow use before any cards are played each turn.

As a note on balance here, this card is probably a bit overpriced. Considering it is essentially a timeable pillar, it could stand to have a much lower cost. Probably 1 or zero.
I would say just drop the casting cost altogether. You could maybe keep a 1 :rainbow or 1 :earth cost on the upped version to balance the more rapid generation, but it may be even be ok with a zero cost as well.
Finally, given how closely this cards mechanics resemble a pillar, it could even stand to be considered an "alternate pillar" (e.g. no limit on number per deck, susceptible to E.Q.)

I think I may have seen something similar to this concept before, but I'll have to look around.

Its a little on vanilla side, but having another card to help cope with denial strategies (aside from sanctuary) could make a useful addition as long as it won't get abused with multi-blitz.
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Re: Wheat Field | Grain Field https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44917.msg1019336#msg1019336
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 11:05:51 pm »
This card differs from standard pillars in 2 main ways:

1) As mentioned before, it could allow multiple uses of cards that consume all quanta of a type. This could cause balancing issues. Sadly, not because this card is too powerful, but because that mechanic is often used to balance out other cards that are. Sky-Blitz being a prime example since multiple attack doubling effects can produce extremely large amounts of damage very quickly.

2) A less abusive use is as a counter to denial cards / decks. E.g. if facing a scramble-blackhole or devour-fractal deck, this card can be used to safely store quanta so that the enemy can't absorb it.

One method to prevent abuse would be to only allow use before any cards are played each turn.

As a note on balance here, this card is probably a bit overpriced. Considering it is essentially a timeable pillar, it could stand to have a much lower cost. Probably 1 or zero.
I would say just drop the casting cost altogether. You could maybe keep a 1 :rainbow or 1 :earth cost on the upped version to balance the more rapid generation, but it may be even be ok with a zero cost as well.
Finally, given how closely this cards mechanics resemble a pillar, it could even stand to be considered an "alternate pillar" (e.g. no limit on number per deck, susceptible to E.Q.)

I think I may have seen something similar to this concept before, but I'll have to look around.

Its a little on vanilla side, but having another card to help cope with denial strategies (aside from sanctuary) could make a useful addition as long as it won't get abused with multi-blitz.
Thanks so much for the logical analysis! I am definitely going to lower the cost, because as you pointed out this card does act as a timed pillar. The card will also only be able to be used prior to the playing of any other cards.

 

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