Dark Acolyte | Shadow Acolyte

[Ajit]

Why are people having issues with demons being evil? Is this considered inappropriate in Elements?

>_> the issue isn't whether they are inappropriate for the game, Nepycros just disagrees with it being put in Darkness element.


woah ninja'd

[ZephyrPhantom]

A demon could technically be in darkness if it is manipulative.

Is this card manipulative? Not really.  It basically is a multi-use ability that can stall an opponent or can clear status effects from your creatures. IMHO, it's more of a versatile pacifying effect.

I'd say this makes sense in  (weaker Rewind on a stick),  (blowing creatures away like a windstorm), or  (pacifying the enemy to leave or teleporting an ally back for healing).

[Vipy5]

Hey! guys, I'm not really meaning demons are evil, and these guys arn't demons, but putting them in darkness makes sense to me, look at all darkness' other creatures! You've got the Vampire, the Bloodsucker, the Gargoyle, they all fit with a Darkness/Demon Acolyte (or, imho just a demon). I don't want to be offenseive, but the only way I can see these guys is in darkness.
(And the point of the ability is that if your feild is too full, something poisoned or you need a little extra quanta, just send it back to your hand) But I can see your point for the ability, but I will leave it a little while.

[OldTrees]

Hey! guys, I'm not really meaning demons are evil, and these guys arn't demons, but putting them in darkness makes sense to me, look at all darkness' other creatures! You've got the Vampire, the Bloodsucker, the Gargoyle, they all fit with a Darkness/Demon Acolyte (or, imho just a demon). I don't want to be offenseive, but the only way I can see these guys is in darkness.
(And the point of the ability is that if your feild is too full, something poisoned or you need a little extra quanta, just send it back to your hand) But I can see your point for the ability, but I will leave it a little while.

There are two problems
1) Rewind is a Time effect. This card's effect is a Time effect. Therefore the effect does not fit in Darkness.
2) Darkness is not Evil. Demon (in english) are assumed to be evil. Therefore the Name is unsuitable for a Darkness card.

The ability would fit as a Time card producing with a new name.
The name Dark Acolyte would fit as a Darkness card if combined with a darkness ability.

[Izzythemachine]

The passive abilities (call back | desummon) should have the same name, especially because the cost the same, and have the same effect. Choose one name or the other, and then stick with it.

As for the name, you could go with Dark Acolyte | Shadow Acolyte. But tbh, I think that the current name is fine.

Edit: @OldTrees: I see this card effect as a cousin of Nightmare, so I would say that it fits with darkness.

[rohlfo]

In general "Darkness is not evil" - then why have a card called nightmare!?
I see people's point, but I don't see demons as evil, I think Philip Pullman saw to that...?

[OldTrees]

In general "Darkness is not evil" - then why have a card called nightmare!?
I see people's point, but I don't see demons as evil, I think Philip Pullman saw to that...?

1) Nightmares are not evil. They are simply magical beast that deliver unpleasant dreams.
2) Not everyone who plays Elements will be enlightened enough or well read enough to know examples of non evil daemons.

[rohlfo]

In general "Darkness is not evil" - then why have a card called nightmare!?
I see people's point, but I don't see demons as evil, I think Philip Pullman saw to that...?

1) Nightmares are not evil. They are simply magical beast that deliver unpleasant dreams.
2) Not everyone who plays Elements will be enlightened enough or well read enough to know examples of non evil daemons.

are unpleasant dreams not evil in some way?
Given there was a film (which I haven't actually seen) I thought it might be quite universal...doesn't matter though.
Anyway, in general, I don't see darkness as evil, although with things like 'stealing', 'vampires' and 'nightmares' etc I think it leans towards it...

I think what I'm saying is that I personally don't see an issue with 'demon', although I can see why people might.

[joebob777]

nightmares are evil, yet they have attributes that are also part of darkness, it is this connection with a lot of things that makes people assume that darkness is evil. clarifying that up a little

[Nepycros]

nightmares are evil, yet they have attributes that are also part of darkness, it is this connection with a lot of things that makes people assume that darkness is evil. clarifying that up a little

Looking at this logically, nightmares are just the subconscious method to deal with something. If the subconscious deems a horrific event to be too dangerous, it'll project a nightmare that'll startle the dreamer enough that it'll do its best to avoid the event at all costs. It would've worked, if we didn't have our dumb curiosity.

So no, Nightmares aren't evil. It's just a method to prevent disasters from happening. You might think it's best to face your fears, but inside, you're slowly building up even more fear, and it'll manifest in the way that is likeliest to keep you safe.

[Vipy5]

just to you all, who (for some reason) are arguing philosophically about the name of my card, I'm not saying demons are evil, but to me it fits with the theme of darknes,, I mean, where lese would these fellows go?
P.S, demons are shadowy creatures they fit!

[Ekki]

I always enjoy Nepycros' discussions about Darkness and Evilness and the Void, so I'll add up to this one

In my opinion, something "evil" depends of your point of view. Some people believe the Church as evil, some others the Light as evil, and some others, think all demons are evil... Well, there are "good" demons too, so the discussion is going about what people thinks. And the truth is that many people believe the nightmares, vampires, darkness in itself as "evil" (not me).

Apart from that, well, it's a call back, sounds like an inverse summoning, or throwing a creature back to the shadows, so I guess it might fit. Also, I would personally like to add demons to the game eventually, but where would they belong to? Even when they are you can complain about they being related to evil, they fit Darkness/Fire, and the call back this creature proposes sounds to me like Darkness...

If all the above fails, you can always call the upped "Shadow Acolyte".