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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1056953#msg1056953
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 04:58:52 pm »
Poison damage is dealt at the beginning of the attack phase.

Would this prevent healing from purify (which is done at the same time as poison damage)?

I am not sure. Thinking critically, I would say that that is healing not negative damage so yes it would work. But in the interst of "You can't have it both ways," it could be a no. I don't know how the game treats Purify counters. That is the deciding factor right there.
As blarp found out in the deck bearing his name, purify used to be treated like spell damage. This was evident by the ability of a mirror shield to deflect it back at the opponent.

Apparently, this is no longer so.

Purify is treated separately now (hence the lack of mirror shields in the current incarnation of the blarp deck).

I believe most healing effects from cards are as well.

Negative damage is indeed distinct from healing.

This is evident if you attack an mirror wielding opponent with an antimattered psion. The negative damage gets bounced back and heals you.

Ultimately, I think its your call as a designer, but right now, I would say if you are looking purely at stoping damage, then it makes sense that negative damage gets blocked, but other healing types go through.
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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1056954#msg1056954
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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1056964#msg1056964
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 05:27:18 pm »
Well, comparing to this is more powerful for just 1 quanta more.
Maybe 3/7?
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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1056965#msg1056965
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2013, 05:29:18 pm »
Poison damage is dealt at the beginning of the attack phase.

Would this prevent healing from purify (which is done at the same time as poison damage)?

I am not sure. Thinking critically, I would say that that is healing not negative damage so yes it would work. But in the interst of "You can't have it both ways," it could be a no. I don't know how the game treats Purify counters. That is the deciding factor right there.
As blarp found out in the deck bearing his name, purify used to be treated like spell damage. This was evident by the ability of a mirror shield to deflect it back at the opponent.

Apparently, this is no longer so.

Purify is treated separately now (hence the lack of mirror shields in the current incarnation of the blarp deck).
You are referring to the spell "Purify", while I was asking about purify counters. It used to be that the mirror shield reflected the spell, but not the healing from purify counters already on the player.

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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1056986#msg1056986
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2013, 06:33:22 pm »
You are referring to the spell "Purify", while I was asking about purify counters. It used to be that the mirror shield reflected the spell, but not the healing from purify counters already on the player.
Yes, thats what I was trying to get at... My wording got a little fuzzy though :(
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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1057170#msg1057170
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2013, 04:36:40 am »
Well, comparing to this is more powerful for just 1 quanta more.
Maybe 3/7?

Yes, while I did not base this card off of Shield|Tower Shield, it seems that the likeness was too much to deny a like cost. Valuing the Crumble mechanic at 1(Because it also has a cost of its own, and destroys the crumbling card) we decided that the card should cost close to Shield|Tower Shield.

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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1058891#msg1058891
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 01:52:17 am »
Bump!

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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1058893#msg1058893
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 01:55:28 am »
Its got my vote... or at least it will if I have any left (I tend to make a lot of type "Other" cards myself apparently...)
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Re: Crumbling Shield|Crumbling Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48180.msg1060011#msg1060011
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2013, 06:18:56 am »
Bump!

 

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