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Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1057994#msg1057994
« on: April 07, 2013, 06:00:20 pm »
NAME:
Crow
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
Harbinger: Mark a random creature when played. It dies on its next attack unless the crow leaves play.
NAME:
Raven
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
Harbinger: Mark a random creature when played. It dies on its next attack unless the raven leaves play.

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NOTES:
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
`'Tis some visitor,' I muttered, `tapping at my chamber door -
Only this, and nothing more.'

- Edgar Allen Poe, The Raven

Harbinger will not target a Crow | Raven, or immaterial, burrowed, or otherwise untargetable creatures (but can attempt to target a creature with evasion.)
SERIES:

« Last Edit: April 09, 2013, 02:34:35 pm by stereohelix »
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058037#msg1058037
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 09:11:41 pm »
It seems really important to me to add in the description that the ability can be used only once (there is plenty space left).

This is a pretty powerful ability, so I think that a duo cost (:death fits the theme) for it is in order. May overshadow parasite, as it does a similar job and in case your opponent has few creatures it is much more efficient.
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058039#msg1058039
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 09:27:56 pm »
Instant kill with no conditions is something zanzarino (the game dev) doesn't want, iirc.
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058065#msg1058065
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 12:04:32 am »
Instant kill with no conditions is something zanzarino (the game dev) doesn't want, iirc.

This^ I don't want it either :P
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058130#msg1058130
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 07:28:05 am »
I don't remember entirely, but I thought it was that he didn't want targetable instant kills without conditions...
Although this may be a fine line here.

I realize, it would be severly weakened, but what if the ability killed a random creature from either side?... Kind of like russian roulette.

" :darkness :darkness : Harbinger
Kill a random creature"

Alternatively, you could make it happen automatically when the card enters play:
"Harbinger:
When played, a random creature will be marked to die after its owner's next turn."

... This could also make a fun ability for a Neutral creature:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,48199.0.html


On a different note,
Is the artwork copyrighted? If so you will need to get the artists permission and provide proof thereof.

... If you don't mind doing photo-editing yourself, I found a cool crow image on sxc.hu you could modify for this card:
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/l/l/li/linder6580/1056207_18767523.jpg

I'd offer to do it myself, but I'm still working on a couple things for others at the moment.
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058147#msg1058147
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 12:32:01 pm »
I realize, it would be severly weakened, but what if the ability killed a random creature from either side?... Kind of like russian roulette.

That's actually how I interpreted the wording in the card. It doesn't say target opponent creature dies after all. That's just plain OP.
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058158#msg1058158
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 01:57:56 pm »
Even random creature is enough to be OP, since opponent won't bring sub-par creatures and if he did bring them, he will lose anyway.
Now the question: is 5 :darkness + 1 turn enough to instant kill? (consider fractal too)
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058168#msg1058168
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 03:22:12 pm »
I realize, it would be severly weakened, but what if the ability killed a random creature from either side?... Kind of like russian roulette.

That's actually how I interpreted the wording in the card. It doesn't say target opponent creature dies after all. That's just plain OP.
I meant that your creatures could end up being killed as well, not just opponent's
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058223#msg1058223
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 07:28:57 pm »
Please provide a link and, if any, permission for using this art.



Yeah, Insta-kill isn't really something that can be easily justified in card design...

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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058301#msg1058301
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 11:41:04 pm »
Dear all,

Thanks for the copyright education. I added the title of the work and a link. (It's creative commons.)

I did mean the creature to be single-use and random, not targeted. Also, note that the Crow | Raven has one hit point, so there are plenty of ways to prevent it from killing something. I also thought, and should probably add, that an immaterial creature wouldn't be killed by it.

@OdinVanguard: I like the idea of "marking" a creature thematically, but I thought it was more balanced to allow your opponent a turn to get out of it.
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058333#msg1058333
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 01:22:00 am »
What if you add to the text "Use once."?
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Re: Crow | Raven https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48303.msg1058344#msg1058344
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 01:42:02 am »
i dont recall any card in the game with a one-time-use mechanic using that wording
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