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Shatter | Fragment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003782#msg1003782
« on: September 29, 2012, 07:06:55 pm »
NAME:
Shatter
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
11 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy 2 of the opponent's permanent slots. Can't target Shields, Weapons or Marks. Drain all remaining :gravity quanta.
NAME:
Fragment
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
10 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy 2 of the opponent's permanent slots. Can't target Shields, Weapons or Marks. Drain all remaining :gravity quanta.

ART:
Arum
IDEA:
Arum
NOTES:
It also destroys permanents in the permanent slot that is destroyed. Probably needs balancing.
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NAME:
Shatter
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
11 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy 2 random permanent slots.  Weapon, Shield, and Mark slots are included. Drain all remaining :gravity quanta.
NAME:
Fragmentation
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
10 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy 2 random permanent slots.  Weapon, Shield, and Mark slots are included. Drain all remaining :gravity quanta.

ART:
Arum
IDEA:
Arum
NOTES:
Yes, I got new art!

Destroy means the permanent slot is removed. It is very powerful, but I believe it can be balanced, eventually.
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« Last Edit: September 29, 2012, 11:25:12 pm by Arum »
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Re: Shatter | Fragmentation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003805#msg1003805
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 09:45:01 pm »
I need feedback.
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Re: Shatter | Fragmentation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003806#msg1003806
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 09:50:12 pm »
Seems pretty cool. I think it shouldn't reach sword, shield, and mark, though. I don't believe it's too OP, since ~all~ permanent slots are rarely filled, and it could destroy maybe the last two slots instead of ones that are already occupied.

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Re: Shatter | Fragmentation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003807#msg1003807
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 09:50:57 pm »
Would it also destroy the permanent in those spots?  If not, this is UP since no one really uses that many Permanents.

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Re: Shatter | Fragmentation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003810#msg1003810
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 10:04:04 pm »
I don't think it should target the mark slot.  To me, the mark slot should be indestructible in order to help prevent being quanta locked by poor draws or denial or whatever.  I do like the card, though, and the fact that it doesn't specify opponent's permanents means it could hit your own.  In light of that, I don't think it really needs to drain all your gravity quanta.  (if you meant it only to affect opponent's permanents, then I agree that it should drain all gravity quanta, and then the card text should be updated to reflect this)

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Re: Shatter | Fragmentation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003819#msg1003819
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 10:59:31 pm »
It is meant for your opponent only.
It also destroys permanents in that slot.
I'll change the sword, shield, mark thing.
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Re: Shatter | Fragment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003844#msg1003844
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 01:38:17 am »
Is this double-targeting?  Also, thematically "Shatter" sounds more like  :entropy.

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Re: Shatter | Fragment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003900#msg1003900
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 05:36:06 am »
SoFo is much better.
Yes I know it's OP, but SoFo is waay better.
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Re: Shatter | Fragment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1003906#msg1003906
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 05:51:15 am »
SoFo is much better.
Yes I know it's OP, but SoFo is waay better.
Comparisons of cards should not be made with obviously OP or obviously UP cards. They are not good balancing comparisons.

This card is expensive. Almost alongside miracle in terms of cost. Is this card something that is really worth +99hp?

Destroying permanent slots along with clogging permanent slots is a common suggested card idea. Most often it is shot down because of the lack of decks that really make use of permanent slots. I could easily play a game with EtG and half, or even a quarter of my permanents slots available and still be very comfortable.

Does this destroy stacks? If it does, this becomes a much more crippling version of EQ.

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Re: Shatter | Fragment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43768.msg1004020#msg1004020
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 04:07:40 pm »
@furball: according to what the table says ("also destroys permanents in the permanent slot that is destroyed"), it appears to me that yes, it does destroy the stacks as well.
On a side note, does the card description need to specify that Shatter can't target Marks? No other card can target Marks anyways.

 

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