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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195084#msg195084
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 05:10:23 pm »
@SeddyRocky
as i ever say.   what about i'm improve it cost  and lower it status?    about cost it's can't help anything so much  but if i lower it hp.   it's will make this card very hard to use with some spell.

@Nepycros
yes  everything that can do something to creature.   i'm use 'targeted' word  cuz immortal creature can't be target but still don't harm with AOE spell.

@miniwally
if you ask me,  specific thing.

@moomoose
ah  thx  :P

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195094#msg195094
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 05:34:41 pm »
you are saying it can copy a fractal? don't you think that it is very dangerous for the game?

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195098#msg195098
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2010, 05:40:13 pm »
@Drobbit
yes.  even fractal.  what the problem?

are not fractal already be 'very dangerous for the game'?   :))

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195101#msg195101
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2010, 05:43:42 pm »
I think the point Drobbit is subtley making is cards like fractal have high costs for a reason. Allowing a creature to gain those high cost spells as an ability is way too imbalancing and OP.

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195108#msg195108
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 05:57:04 pm »
With the ability comes the downside. It would absorb all your remaining Aether as soon as you use it.
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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195109#msg195109
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 05:59:09 pm »
@Kuross
can i ask something?

if this card can use with fractal.  what will you do next?   ah...   talk about if this card stay in this game  what kind of deck you will do?

@Nepycros
yes...    that's why i'm ask  'what kind of deck you will use with this card?'

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195110#msg195110
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 06:01:31 pm »
You'd clearly use an Entropy-Light combo. With Blessing, you can make this creature invincible, then follow up and make all your other creatures insanely strong.
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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195120#msg195120
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2010, 06:15:28 pm »
You could make an all entropy deck around this card. Pack it with Chaos Powers and Supernovas then add 1 or 2 Ice Bolts, Fire Bolts, Blessings, Thunderstorms, TUs, Thunderbolts, shockwaves, Freezes, or whatever you want to pack the deck with in addition to having Max demons and Antimatter. Point is, putting abilities on a creature is just OP. Instead of needing a lot to be effrective, now you only need a few thereby increasing the amount of CC.

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195806#msg195806
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2010, 02:53:28 pm »
You could make an all entropy deck around this card. Pack it with Chaos Powers and Supernovas then add 1 or 2 Ice Bolts, Fire Bolts, Blessings, Thunderstorms, TUs, Thunderbolts, shockwaves, Freezes, or whatever you want to pack the deck with in addition to having Max demons and Antimatter. Point is, putting abilities on a creature is just OP. Instead of needing a lot to be effrective, now you only need a few thereby increasing the amount of CC.
Yes but then how will you get the quanta to use the spells repeatedly

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195810#msg195810
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2010, 03:07:24 pm »
What about an :entropy / :aether deck with chaos powers, thunderbolts and TUs? 5 or 6 creatures that can hit any target for 5 dmg, individually, a turn, in addition to any other bells and whistles, still seem balanced?

Deck ideas aside, here's my issue. When a new card concept is introduced to the game one of the first things people look at is how it would interact with existing cards in the game. A lot of the time a card idea will get shot down because an existing card combined with the proposed card would be too OP. I feel if this card were to be introduced other new cards, with potential merit on their own, would be inevitibly dismissed because their interaction with this card would be as described, OP. Though I see the potential with this card I also see way too many ways to make it OP. Any time you allow an "ability on a stick" you will eventually get a combo that's broken.

Elements should be limited in scope when it comes to combos so as to keep variety to the game.

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg195965#msg195965
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2010, 08:06:00 pm »
I think the point Drobbit is subtley making is cards like fractal have high costs for a reason. Allowing a creature to gain those high cost spells as an ability is way too imbalancing and OP.
That's it. I think that some spells can not be abbilities.
Nova-supernova=unlimited mana. You won't need towers anymore. Just this creature
Blessing: you won't need growing creatures, this grow them
Holy light: no need of any other healing card
and many more spells... that's why I think this card is not a good idea. Sorry

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Re: Copycat | Elite Copycat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.msg196034#msg196034
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2010, 09:45:41 pm »
I think the point Drobbit is subtley making is cards like fractal have high costs for a reason. Allowing a creature to gain those high cost spells as an ability is way too imbalancing and OP.
That's it. I think that some spells can not be abbilities.
Nova-supernova=unlimited mana. You won't need towers anymore. Just this creature
Blessing: you won't need growing creatures, this grow them
Holy light: no need of any other healing card
and many more spells... that's why I think this card is not a good idea. Sorry
Nova | Supernova doesn't target creatures. No way for it to do that.
I'll try to make a list of all abilities this guy can have.

Infection (Bloodsuckers, etc.)
Blessing
Holy Light
Fractal
TU
Thunderbolt
Thunderstorm
Unstable Gas (wouldn't it just gain the Ignite ability? no bueno!)
Siphon Life
Chaos Power (Chaos Seed might give it various abilities including sniper, siphon, etc., unless it was set to gain Chaos Seed)
Sniper
AM (or Nymph's cost)
Pandemonium
Would Retrovirus give him the sacrifice ability? :O
Plague (*screams*)
Aflatoxin (or Nymph's cost)
Momentum
Gravity Force
Plate Armor
BB (or petrify)
Adrenaline
Fire Bolt
Rain of Fire (*screams*)
Rage Potion (or rage)
Luciferin (or Nymph's cost)
Inflate
Freeze (or Arctic Squad's cost)
Ice Bolt
Shockwave
Quintessence (or Nymph's/Anubis' cost)
Liquid Shadow (or Nymph's cost) (a pain, since when you use it, it removes its ability to gain any more skills)
Nightmare (. . . it does target the creature, but... Nightmare? as an active ability? can you say hand control?)
Shard of Readiness (no freaking way)

That's an interesting card, seeing as how it can, at any time, become any of the above abilities. (and yes, I made sure these were all the abilities possible to be put on Copycat)
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