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Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520563#msg520563
« on: July 11, 2012, 01:49:11 pm »
NAME:
Clock
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
Can't be delayed.
Tick Tock : Gains +1/+0 for each clock in the field permanently.
NAME:
Clock
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 1
TEXT:
Can't be delayed.
Tick Tock : Gains +1/+0 for each clock in the field permanently.

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Too powerful with :aether . A new synergy between :time x :aether .You can fractal it and play dimensional shield at the same time. So this card says to you 'Rush!Stall!Wın!'
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EDIT : I didn't change the picture but,both cost nerfed to '4'.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520600#msg520600
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 02:41:48 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520624#msg520624
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 03:25:57 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
It's op with fractal. And for OPing this,you pay 9 + all :aether + 1 card . Plus 3 :time x 8 So,it's not OP.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520628#msg520628
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 03:35:09 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
It's op with fractal. And for OPing this,you pay 9 + all :aether + 1 card . Plus 3 :time x 8 So,it's not OP.

Fractal recluse is the same combo, just that with death quanta. For 8 x 6=48 damage
Your combo: 8 x 11=88 damage, not OP?
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520631#msg520631
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 03:46:14 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
It's op with fractal. And for OPing this,you pay 9 + all :aether + 1 card . Plus 3 :time x 8 So,it's not OP.

Fractal recluse is the same combo, just that with death quanta. For 8 x 6=48 damage
Your combo: 8 x 11=88 damage, not OP?
88 Damage : 9 + all :aether + 1 card + 3 :time + 1 card + 8 card + 24 :time =  TOTAL = 9 + all :aether + 10 cards + 28 time + pendulums/pillars
So,it's not that OP. 88 Damage for 28 :time all :aether 10 cards . You can even deal 88 damage after some turns with an immobow.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520638#msg520638
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 04:12:32 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
It's op with fractal. And for OPing this,you pay 9 + all :aether + 1 card . Plus 3 :time x 8 So,it's not OP.

Fractal recluse is the same combo, just that with death quanta. For 8 x 6=48 damage
Your combo: 8 x 11=88 damage, not OP?
88 Damage : 9 :aether + all :aether + 1 card + 3 :time + 1 card + 8 card + 24 :time =  TOTAL = 9 :aether + all :aether + 10 2 cards + 28 :time + pendulums/pillars
So,it's not that OP. 88 Damage for 28 :time all :aether 10 2 cards . You can even deal 88 damage after some turns with an immobow.

This...this doesn't makes sense.
Fractal gives the card advantage, so those 8 cards in the end is the Fractal.
And yes, you can deal fast damage with immorush, but you won't be flanked by the stalling power aether and time both can give.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520643#msg520643
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 04:34:13 pm »
* Clock | Clock

How does this fit thematically?

You should get another name.  Clock sounds like a permanent...

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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520653#msg520653
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 04:47:57 pm »
You mentioned that this is too powerful = OP.
Y u no balance it then.
It's op with fractal. And for OPing this,you pay 9 + all :aether + 1 card . Plus 3 :time x 8 So,it's not OP.

Fractal recluse is the same combo, just that with death quanta. For 8 x 6=48 damage
Your combo: 8 x 11=88 damage, not OP?
88 Damage : 9 :aether + all :aether + 1 card + 3 :time + 1 card + 8 card + 24 :time =  TOTAL = 9 :aether + all :aether + 10 2 cards + 28 :time + pendulums/pillars
So,it's not that OP. 88 Damage for 28 :time all :aether 10 2 cards . You can even deal 88 damage after some turns with an immobow.

This...this doesn't makes sense.
Fractal gives the card advantage, so those 8 cards in the end is the Fractal.
And yes, you can deal fast damage with immorush, but you won't be flanked by the stalling power aether and time both can give.
If your dimensional shield is in your hand,when you fractalled one,you gain 7 of it. So, 21 :Time + 7 cards does not deals 88. This will reduce  damage by 10. So,defencing,will reduce it's effect. Think you have 3 dimensional shields IN your hand,this will reduce damage by 20- or something.
* Clock | Clock

How does this fit thematically?

You should get another name.  Clock sounds like a permanent...
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520658#msg520658
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 04:55:04 pm »
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88 Damage : 9 + all :aether + 1 card + 3 :time + 1 card + 8 card + 24 :time =  TOTAL = 9 + all :aether + 10 cards + 28 time + pendulums/pillars
So,it's not that OP. 88 Damage for 28 :time all :aether 10 cards . You can even deal 88 damage after some turns with an immobow.

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Fractal recluse is the same combo, just that with death quanta. For 8 x 6=48 damage
Your combo: 8 x 11=88 damage, not OP?
To show why this card needs to be balanced:

Assume we have two players with enough quanta to use 1 Fractal and play at least 8 copies of any card that costs 3 quanta. Both players have only Fractal in their hand.
Player 1 has only 1 Flesh Spider on the field.
Player 2 has only 1 Clock on the field.

Both players cast Fractal and proceed to play the 8 copies of creatures they got from it.
Player 1 now has 9 Flesh Spiders on the field.
Player 2 now has 9 Clocks on the field.

If this was an unupped-only game:
Player 1 has paid 2 Cards + 10+all :aether + 27 :death to get 9*3 = 27 damage.
Player 2 has paid 2 Cards + 10+all :aether + 27 :time to get 9*(2+9) = 99 damage.

If this was an upped-only game:
Player 1 has paid 2 Cards + 9+all :aether + 27 :death to get 9*6 = 48 damage.
Player 2 has paid 2 Cards + 9+all :aether + 27 :time to get 9*(3+9) = 108 damage.

27 vs 99
48 vs. 108

Clock will deal 3.6x times as much damage as Flesh Spider unupped.
Clock will deal 2.25x times as much damage as Flesh Spider upped.
Implementing this card would likely obsolete the majority of Fractal decks since they are a) Contain more expensive creatures or b) Are not as cost-efficient as Clock.

Being OP in only 1 combo does not give you the excuse to avoid balancing your card. (Worth nothing it's going to be very powerful with Mitosis as well, given that it's so cheap, so that's actually at least 2 cards). Using other cards to justify the 'balance' of your effect doesn't work either - just because Shard of Focus can be countered does not mean Shard of Focus is balanced. Likewise, just because you have a Dimshield in your hand doesn't mean that the Cost/Attack+Ability ratio is any less OP by itself, especially when fractaled.


You need to alter the ability somehow so that it won't be broken with Fractal, or give the card a different ability entirely. I also agree with Drake that the theme of a Clock as a creature seems off unless more detail is provided or the theme is changed.
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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520674#msg520674
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 05:24:11 pm »
Credit goes to foxnomad [Anil Polat] (http://photos.foxnomad.com/)

Even though it cannot be delayed, it can still be restricted by Stasis [Sundial], right?

Personally, I'd raise both costs to 4 :time .  Less Fractal-able.

I still question the thematics of this though.  It seems to be more of a :life effect [Strength in numbers].  And only :time in name.

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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520684#msg520684
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 05:51:50 pm »
Credit goes to foxnomad [Anil Polat] (http://photos.foxnomad.com/)

Even though it cannot be delayed, it can still be restricted by Stasis [Sundial], right?

Personally, I'd raise both costs to 4 :time .  Less Fractal-able.

I still question the thematics of this though.  It seems to be more of a :life effect [Strength in numbers].  And only :time in name.
It's 'clock',ability of 'Tick tock',as life can spawn creatures immediatly,this creature will OP the :life ,so,...

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Re: Clock / Clock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41945.msg520689#msg520689
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 05:54:31 pm »
But it's only :time because you called it that and named the ability as such.  Just keep in mind I am addressing the thematics, not it's position in the meta.

 

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