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Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458595#msg458595
« on: February 10, 2012, 06:02:36 pm »
NAME:
Quantum Mandala
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
4
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
:rainbow :Mental Focus - Choose a quanta type. Drain all others, and convert up to 6 each with rate based on #types changed.
NAME:
Quantum Mandala
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
3
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
:rainbow :Mental Focus - Choose a quanta type. Drain all others, and convert up to 6 each with rate based on #types changed.
ART:
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IDEA:
OdinVanguard
NOTES:
Purpose: To provide a way to make mulit-color decks more stable without having to resort to rainbow builds. The desired effect is to have a card that is very helpful to decks that use a small number (less than half) of the various quanta types but still be somewhat useful in a rainbow deck. I also am trying to promote more skill in terms of timing and planning as well as encourage the use of decks that fall somewhere between mono/duo and rainbow (i.e. help stability in trio, quartet, and pentet).
Mechanics:
Removes all quanta except the type chosen.
For each type removed, up to 6 of that type is added to a tally. The number of different types of quanta tallied is tracked.
A percentage of the tally is added to the chosen quanta type. This percentage is based on the number of different types being converted:
#types converted1234567891011
Conversion Rate4/33/45/95/1211/3011/362/71/413/547/305/22
Max Return89101011111212131415
Quanta needed for max814202632384450566268
Note that rainbow builds do still get some benefit. By waiting till you have 6 of every quanta type, you can power any single spell at the cost of wiping your quanta pool clean. (E.g. miracle for a cost of 68 rainbow).
SERIES:
For those worried about fractal abuse: I understand the implications for double fractal. Consider however that this requires a total of at least 30 quanta to pull off unupgraded, or 23 upgraded (and far far more for a rainbow deck), so you are still paying more than twice the cost to do it. It will, however let fractal be used to summon a few aether creatures. Maybe thats not entirely a bad thing though, particularly since this will take a lot of storing up to pull out more than two or three at once.
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458602#msg458602
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 06:26:16 pm »
Duo: Pay 2 :rainbow 6 :aether for 8 :air
= 7 :aether for 7 :air
Trio: Pay 2 :rainbow 6 :aether 6 :air for 9 :darkness
= 6.67 :aether 6.67 :air for 8.33 :darkness
Quad: Pay 2 :rainbow 6 :aether 6 :air 6 :darkness for 10 :death
= 6.5 :aether 6.5 :air 6.5 :darkness for 9.5 :death
Quint: Pay 2 :rainbow 6 :aether 6 :air 6 :darkness 6 :death for 10 :earth
= 6.4 :aether 6.4 :air 6.4 :darkness 6.4 :death for 9.6 :earth
Rainbow: Pay 2 :rainbow + 6 of 11 elements for 6 :water
= Pay 5.17 of 11 elements for 14.83 :water

This might be worth the 4 :rainbow for a duo using elemental pillars but after that ...
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458612#msg458612
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 06:55:13 pm »
How about changing the activation cost to 1. And convert a max of 4 each with the following rates:
#types converted1234567891011
Conversion Rate5/43/27/67/87/107/121/215/325/123/84/11
Max Return512141414141415151516
Quanta needed for max59131721252933374145
This way its peak efficiency is for trios, with moderate efficiency for mono/duo and quartet. Everything else is lower though, to keep from over buffing quantum pillars.
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458634#msg458634
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 08:24:20 pm »
New rates:
Duo 4.5 :aether -> 4.5 :air
Trio 4.33 :aether 4.33 :air -> 8.67 :darkness
Quad 4.25 :aether 4.25 :air 4.25 :darkness -> 13.75 :death
Quintet 4.2 :aether 4.2 :air 4.2 :darkness 4.2 :death -> 13.8 :earth
Sextet 4.17 :aether 4.17 :air 4.17 :darkness 4.17 :death 4.17 :earth -> 13.83 :entropy
Rainbow 4.08 from 11 for 15.92 :water
Quanta Mandala + 2 Supernovas: 4.17 :entropy + 3 cards for 15.67 :entropy
(Cremation + Photon - Nova) x3: 0 quanta + 3 cards for 18 :fire

It could be used in Duos and Trios. I don't know about Quads or Quintets or Rainbows
A mono powered by mandala and Qunatum Pillars is probably efficient. 44.88 :rainbow for 15.92 :water.

So this would lead to 2 deck types
1) Rapid conversion of quanta between a few elements (Duo-Trio)
2) A Mono deck that splashes Rainbow
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458648#msg458648
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 09:24:02 pm »
Looking at your breakdown, it looks like it is still viable for quads.
From the ratios, it should be possible for a quartet or trio to power a single mid sized spell of choice every round.

Quartet: 1.25 :aether + 1.25  :air + 1.25  :death -> 4.75  element of choice
This lets you cast one 4 to 5 point card a round with any mix of 3 types of pendulums / pillars.

This would let people guarantee they can play at least one card per round without having to worry about not getting the quanta they need due to poor draws. This is what I was essentially going for.

Given the number of cards needed for the nova / cremation combos this shouldn't be too OP.
Particularly since you have to wait a round after bringing out the mandala before you can use it.

Still, I do see your point on the cremation combo as it favors rushes a little too much.
The best option I can think of to compensate is:
Cap the amont given to chosen type so that it won't raise the target by more than some set amount above the beginning of round max.
E.g:
   -Record level of current max at start of turn internally on mandala
   -Cap max given so that nothing can go above 10 + max from round start. (or maybe 8 or 6 if this is still too much)

This option lets you essentially
1) Switch your current max from where it was at start
2) Increase the new max slightly by "focusing" the other quanta types
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458692#msg458692
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 11:37:34 pm »
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Re: Quantum Mandala | Quantum Mandala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36513.msg458725#msg458725
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 12:39:49 am »
Thanks! I used to make these all the time when I was bored in Community College. Its amazing how much you can do with Inkscape and GIMP now.
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