Chasm | Abyss

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

NAME: Chasm ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 6 TEXT: 0 : Devour Upon devouring a creature, Chasm becomes a copy of the creature.	NAME: Abyss ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 8 TEXT: 0 : Devour Upon devouring a creature, Abyss becomes a copy of the creature.

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1021431 IDEA: MildlyFrightenedBoy NOTES: You are what you eat. SERIES:

[TheAccuso]

not balanced IMO otyugh<this, it has almost same cost but can eat a dragon for example(or a great creature wich quite frequently has a good attack) the first meal at 0 cost and become it, so gain lot of attack, sure the otyugh it's an everlasting eater but gain a miserable +1 for everymeal and sometimes before that it can eat a dragon it have to nom other things.

[furballdn]

What. I was unaware that cracks in the ground could turn into other stuff. Either way, this is a very powerful card that is like many of the concepts of "take an opposing creature as your own" with only a one turn delay and 8hp limitation.

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

not balanced IMO otyugh<this, it has almost same cost but can eat a dragon for example(or a great creature wich quite frequently has a good attack) the first meal at 0 cost and become it, so gain lot of attack, sure the otyugh it's an everlasting eater but gain a miserable +1 for everymeal and sometimes before that it can eat a dragon it have to nom other things.

Otyugh can eat more than one thing.  When this eats something, it no longer has Devour, so it doesn't have the snowball potential of Oty.

TBH, the two aren't really comparable - Chasm simply steals an enemy creature.  Dealing damage to Chasm reduces the maximum health creature that it can steal, and healing Chasm increases it.

[TheAccuso]

Otyugh can eat more than one thing.  When this eats something, it no longer has Devour, so it doesn't have the snowball potential of Oty.

sure the otyugh it's an everlasting eater

TBH, the two are really comparable - Chasm  NEED TO HAVE BIGGERS HP'S THAT THE CREATURE THAT IT WANT TO steal|eat LIKE OTYUGH.  Dealing damage to Chasm reduces the maximum health creature that it can steal|EAT and healing Chasm increases it LIKE OTYUGH
...both are  and they have "almost", fairly saying, the same concept but one cost4|5 with starting hp, (essentials for a proper use) 3|5 and its ability cost 1  , the other cost 5|5 with 6|8 hp(for an "almost" same goal) and its ability cost 0, moral, they are comparable.
BTW i like the concept of stealing a creature but makin' it  will be too conflictual with otyugh and also for any mark you will run i will say that if its ability has to be 0 the cost should be upped.
It's either like a PU with a killing and lot of card less but with 1 more turn or like a pumped otyugh with less (total)cost mechanic that get stronger faster and also gain the ability of the monster killed instead of +1.OP

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

Otyugh can eat more than one thing.  When this eats something, it no longer has Devour, so it doesn't have the snowball potential of Oty.

sure the otyugh it's an everlasting eater

TBH, the two are really comparable - Chasm  NEED TO HAVE BIGGERS HP'S THAT THE CREATURE THAT IT WANT TO steal|eat LIKE OTYUGH.  Dealing damage to Chasm reduces the maximum health creature that it can steal|EAT and healing Chasm increases it LIKE OTYUGH
...both are  and they have "almost", fairly saying, the same concept but one cost4|5 with starting hp, (essentials for a proper use) 3|5 and its ability cost 1  , the other cost 5|5 with 6|8 hp(for an "almost" same goal) and its ability cost 0, moral, they are comparable.
BTW i like the concept of stealing a creature but makin' it  will be too conflictual with otyugh and also for any mark you will run i will say that if its ability has to be 0 the cost should be upped.
It's either like a PU with a killing and lot of card less but with 1 more turn or like a pumped otyugh with less (total)cost mechanic that get stronger faster and also gain the ability of the monster killed instead of +1.OP

Yes, Chasm and Oty each use the ability Devour.  They each use it for very different purposes, though.

In no way is the goal the same.  The goal of Otyugh is to kill off enemy squishy creatures, dealing consistent damage.  Chasm is used to take control of a creature.

Yes, they are both in the same element.  So are Mitosis and Heal.

I don't know what you mean by Chasm conflicting with Otyugh.

I don't know what you mean by "a pumped otyugh... that get stronger faster".  Chasm turns into a different creature, whereas Otyugh gradually becomes stronger.



In case you don't realize this, Chasm is only able to use Devour one time.  After using Devour, it becomes the targeted creature, losing Devour.

[TheAccuso]

when i say goal i was rewfering to the part of devouring something after being summoned(in wich the Chasm | Abyss is that better), wich is a primary goal for both(deads|+1 attack;dead|copy),  otherway they'll remain a 0 attack creature and with o effects, the rest i said it's just cause one of the primary things that certificate an OP card is that a card is similar but better to another pre-existent card, also this one is of the same element!

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

when i say goal i was rewfering to the part of devouring something after being summoned wich is a primary goal for both(deads|+1 attack;dead|copy),  otherway they'll remain a 0 attack creature and with o effects, the rest i said it's just cause one of the primary things that certificate an OP card is that a card is similar but better to another pre-existent card, also this one is of the same element!

This card isn't "better".  If you're against a deck of mostly smaller creatures (Fire Queen, RoL/Hope), Otyugh will easily outdo Chasm.  Against a deck of mostly larger creatures, it will take Otyugh a while to reach Chasm's potential. 
One of Otyugh's strengths is that its presence constantly threatens the opponent out of playing certain creatures.  Once Chasm's ability is used, it is gone.  In no way, shape, or form is Chasm a "better Otyugh".

The "goal" of Dune Scorpion and Golden Dragon is to deal damage to the opponent.  Does that mean that they are too similar?  No, it doesn't, because they each fit very different roles in a deck.

Even though they have the same ability, they are not the same card.  Another example is Toadfish and Virus.  Both inflict poison damage to a creature, but they both do different things.  Virus triggers death effects while Toadfish clears enemy lots of creatures.



Here's a thought - let's say I worded the card like this, not actually changing the mechanic in any way:
"0 : Pitfall (Sacrifice Card)
Steal the target enemy creature with lower HP."
Does it still really seem like a "better Otyugh"?

[TheAccuso]

I'm trying to do some helpfull criticism if you want to say pitfall intsead of devour just to make funny of what i says i find that very unconstructive, i may be wrong in some points(and probably i am) but i think that the possibilty to have 2 devouring creature in the same mark won't work IMO.

[mypetmachine]

Very OP, I think.  For a cost of 6   I get to kill an opponent's creature (quite possibly a pretty heavy hitter) and get a copy of that creature on my side of the field.  As an example, you could play the unupped version of this and kill your opponents Elite Shrieker (10/4) plus get your own Elite Shrieker.  To pull something off like that with existing cards, you would need to spend 6 (TU) + 6   (Elite Oty and one use of its ability).  Drop a Heavy Armor on the upped version and you could kill and copy a Light Dragon for a cost of 6 + 1 .


From a thematic stand point, I don't like things that obviously aren't creatures being creatures.  Also, as far as naming goes, when I hear the word abyss, I think of something having to do with    and  .  But that's just personal opinion.

[Annele]

What. I was unaware that cracks in the ground could turn into other stuff. Either way, this is a very powerful card that is like many of the concepts of "take an opposing creature as your own" with only a one turn delay and 8hp limitation.

This. Also, this overshadows both otyugh and PU, and is redundant in  .
Otyugh: All reasons stated previously. Yes, this can only eat something once, but it can kill most dragons first-off, AND gain their stats for 5 . For 5 , otyugh can can kill a creature with <3 hp and gain +1/+1. Upped is even more OP. When one ups an otyugh, it gains +2 hp AND +1 cost. This just gains +2 hp straight.
PU: Yes, it can copy any creature, but it cost 7/6 , and leaves the previous creature as it was. This costs 5/5 , and while it has a small restriction - that basically prevents it from copying  creatures - it kills the previous creature.

Speaking of PU, if it eats a mutant, what happens?

Stupit ninjas

[esran]

i like the mechanic. raise the cost by one or 2. OR add an activaation cost. i actually think it would be fine if it had a 2 gravity activation cost, which basically is just increasing the cost but allows you to start paying it when you might not have enough.