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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297012#msg297012
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 02:20:16 am »
Do you really want people to go to a dragon rush? I have a feeling it would be this vs. Shrieker rush.
How does the scale work? Is it a passive ability that happens every turn? (OP) Is there a summoning cost?( Maybe not OP).
The next feeling i have is that people will just go to fractal + dragonling - which is even faster than regular dragons, because this costs 7 of ANY quanta.

It seems that this will act as a nerf to dragons.
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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297064#msg297064
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 04:00:17 am »
Do you really want people to go to a dragon rush? I have a feeling it would be this vs. Shrieker rush.
How does the scale work? Is it a passive ability that happens every turn? (OP) Is there a summoning cost?( Maybe not OP).
The next feeling i have is that people will just go to fractal + dragonling - which is even faster than regular dragons, because this costs 7 of ANY quanta.

It seems that this will act as a nerf to dragons.
Not trying to be a pessimist, just my  :electrum
Dragons aren't used very often.

The scale is just a spell. It summons a dragonling and then goes away. Very simple.

Fractal + Dragonling isn't too bad of a problem because it takes 3 turns for the dragonling to grow into a full dragon, and their low HP makes them very susceptible to CC.
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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297103#msg297103
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 06:23:48 am »
Life + low Attack = Adrenaline? How would it affect it?

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297309#msg297309
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2011, 04:40:39 pm »
Life + low Attack = Adrenaline? How would it affect it?
...Well crap. Completely forgot about that mechanic. I guess going mechanically and how the game is coded, it would give you a full dragon the turn you play adrenaline on it... hmm, how to counter this easily that doesn't cause a specific coding changing....
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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297316#msg297316
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2011, 05:00:23 pm »
make the scale a perma with a counter of 3 turns then it gains the ability turn target dragonling into a full markmatching dragon and destroy itself.

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297337#msg297337
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2011, 05:47:07 pm »
make the scale a perma with a counter of 3 turns then it gains the ability turn target dragonling into a full markmatching dragon and destroy itself.
That's not a bad idea, though I feel the theme sort of takes a hit with something like that.
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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297375#msg297375
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2011, 07:10:28 pm »
Eh, using an adrenaline on a dragonling costs 2 cards and 7 quanta for a slightly more powerful dragon (since Adrenaline doesn't do much for it).. vs, say, 12 and 1 card for an upgraded Jade dragon.  I think this could be fixed simply by making the upgraded one cost one or two quanta more.  The fact that it's 2 cards should not be discounted.

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297389#msg297389
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2011, 07:21:20 pm »
I can just see a deck like:

Mark of Aether:
Quantum Tower x 14
Sundial x 6
Dragon's Scale x 6
Fractal x 4

Only 7 quanta to play would allow a LOT of plays with fractal if you had Quantum towers..

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297457#msg297457
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2011, 08:50:29 pm »
Eh, using an adrenaline on a dragonling costs 2 cards and 7 quanta for a slightly more powerful dragon (since Adrenaline doesn't do much for it).. vs, say, 12 and 1 card for an upgraded Jade dragon.  I think this could be fixed simply by making the upgraded one cost one or two quanta more.  The fact that it's 2 cards should not be discounted.
Very good point indeed. I guess that justifies me raising the cost slightly.

I can just see a deck like:

Mark of Aether:
Quantum Tower x 14
Sundial x 6
Dragon's Scale x 6
Fractal x 4

Only 7 quanta to play would allow a LOT of plays with fractal if you had Quantum towers..
That deck would still take a bit of time to pull off, during which time the dragonlings could easily be picked off. Talk about Oty chow :P Or just throw up a Grav shield and once they grow into aether dragons they'll be permanently stopped >.>
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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297470#msg297470
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 09:11:33 pm »
2 questions:

1) What is the mechanistic difference between a spell for 3 :life that creates a creature and a creature that costs 3 :life ? Are you just trying to dodge fractal/mitosis abuse or did I miss something?

2) Is the "grow" ability lobotomizable? (i.e. can I get a dragonling "stuck" as a 2/3)

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297504#msg297504
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 09:49:50 pm »
Too bad Dragon Scale is a  :life card.

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Re: Dragon's Scale | Dragon's Scale & Dragonling | Elite Dragonling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23332.msg297530#msg297530
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2011, 10:22:12 pm »
2 questions:

1) What is the mechanistic difference between a spell for 3 :life that creates a creature and a creature that costs 3 :life ? Are you just trying to dodge fractal/mitosis abuse or did I miss something?

2) Is the "grow" ability lobotomizable? (i.e. can I get a dragonling "stuck" as a 2/3)
1) I wanted to give it a longer play time + more card combo. Dragons aren't used too often and are pretty powerful so I wanted to provide a cheaper way to play them, but have the downside be time and easy to be ruined. Since Dragonling is a weak creature, it can be killed fairly easy in three turns, depending on the opponent's deck. If it were just a creature that grew into a dragon for 3 :life it would be a little bit closer to the OP side of the spectrum and more easily to be abused.

2) Yes.
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