Champion | Paladin

[jc14]

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NAME: Champion ELEMENT: Light COST: 9  TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 7|7 ABILITY: Passive Ability is that the champion gains +1/+1 for each light emitting creature.   :Rally All your creatures gain +0/+3 for 1 turn.	NAME: Paladin ELEMENT: Light COST: 11  TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 7|7 (Maybe 7|10?) ABILITY: Passive Ability: Gains +1/+1 for each Light emitting creature. :Charge All your creatures gain +2/-1 for 1 turn.

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[Avenger]

What do you think, adding this to a fractal photon deck instead of the dragon.
Not OP at all, sure

With 6 RoL around:
6 of this (upped) = 6x(7+6)=78 (+18 damage)
4 of this = 52 (unupped) (+6 damage from RoL)

That's about enough for OTK in first case, and two rounds in second case.
I guess, no need of upgrading, it is cheaper and won't kill the photons.

So this is 13 damage for 9 quanta, as soon as you got 6 RoL, which is common in those decks. Compare it with Light dragon.

[ScytherLoL]

Ok interesting card but I have a few thoughts:

On the upgrade it says +2|-1 this is great but will kill all your Photons in play thus removing the benfit of +1|+1 per light emitting creature and stopping your Hope Shield as well. this may be what you have intended but you might want to look into that.

ANother point is the image. It is great to see it used again in a card but it has already been hammered out and one thing that has been said is to remove the humaness of it. The original card has now been changed because of that.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5815.0.html

Is the gain for One Turn or Infinite (ie can I keep Rallying my troops and get 1|10 Photons?)

Otherwise a very strong card and in some ways useful. Although leaning towards OP when you have Fractal Photons out but I like it.

Thanks

Scyther

[RedWarrior0]

Actually, they have some synergy with each other: Using RoL + Rally + Charge gives makes RoL a 3|3 creature, and it still boosts your Paladin and Champion.

Lower base stats, higher cost, I say. Maybe: 5|5 and 10 for Champion, 6|6 and 12 for Paladin. Otherwise, it is fairly OP in a Fractal RoL Hope deck. It still is, with those changes, but that's nothing a Grav shield can't stop.

Paladin x3 + Champion + Rally + Charge x3 gives a +6|+0 boost. 6 rays of light x7 damage each + 3 Paladin x19 (or 16) damage each + Champion x19 damage. 42 + 48 (I'll go with the lower number) + 19 = OTK if you get it set up.

EDIT: fixed names

[ScytherLoL]

Yes I understand the idea of synergy between the cards, i quite like the fact you need both to really survive. This card when using both of these in a deck would solve the proverbial "using Light Dragon" in a Hope deck.

Nice idea.

Thanks

Scyther

[Tea is good]

Deck strategy with both upped and un-upped does seem op, especially since you can add +2/+2 to each creature on your field every turn. Suggesting nerf by changing ability cost to other quanta (not random/aether/light quanta) Maybe air, so you can built its synergy with dive decks.

[actionjack]

I like the abilities, but do feel they are pretty powerful, even by it self.  But together, with its well endow stats, does feel like a hard card to counter. 

Would maybe just keep one ability (I like rally), and balance it there.

Also a light elemental type of creature with adoration would be awsome, but its base stats need to be weaken (to like2|2 or something) to balance well.

[RedWarrior0]

I like the abilities, but do feel they are pretty powerful, even by it self.  But together, with its well endow stats, does feel like a hard card to counter. 

Would maybe just keep one ability (I like rally), and balance it there.

Also a light elemental type of creature with adoration would be awsome, but its base stats need to be weaken (to like2|2 or something) to balance well.

Hm... Splitting it into two cards could work. Or just make it weaker.

[ScytherLoL]

Maybe Adoration becomes more along the Lines of Atk=N|Hp=N where n is equal to the number of emitting creatures you have in play. (long way to say it I know but hope you get the idea)

So it may start as a 5|5 but goes up or down depending on number of creatures in play.

Thanks

Scyther

[jc14]

ANother point is the image. It is great to see it used again in a card but it has already been hammered out and one thing that has been said is to remove the humaness of it. The original card has now been changed because of that.

You could always say it's an Elf Paladin, it's impossible to tell under the armor in any case. 

Rally and Charge are supposed to only last for one turn, like dive. My original idea was for Charge to give momentum and +1/+0 to all your creatures but that seemed a bit OP...

Charge is supposed to be used in conjunction with Rally, to make achieving the ideal combination harder. In any case, Charge and Rally were just side abilities that I added because I thought it would work well with RoL.


Thanks for the input, I guess I'll make a poll on what to do now.

Maybe Adoration becomes more along the Lines of Atk=N|Hp=N where n is equal to the number of emitting creatures you have in play. (long way to say it I know but hope you get the idea)

So it may start as a 5|5 but goes up or down depending on number of creatures in play.

Thanks

Scyther

If it was N|N, wouldn't it die if it was played without RoL on the field?

Right now, the stats are basically 7+N|7+N, so should I lower the base stats?

[ScytherLoL]

Yes most likely it will die if it was a straight N|N.

My problem is that with a Fractal Hope deck it is relatively easy to get 15-20 Photons out, which give you all the Light you need to put one of these out. Then you have a 22|22 creature that makes all your Photons 1|4 and a Hope Shield thus atomatic win. And if you fractal one of these you can have 6 22|22 creatures in play as well.

I suppose you could drop the bonus maybe making initial stats only 1+N|1+N but if you were to do that a cost rethink may be something you have to do.

Personally I would create a new Creature with the 1+N|1+N ability where N is number of creatures that emit and use the second ability (Rally and Charge) for these. Cost maybe 8 for non upgrade and 7 for upgrade

Thanks

Scyther

[jmizzle7]

First things first.... This marks the second time that Jason Engle's art Celestial (http://jasonengle.deviantart.com/art/Celestial-14400235) has been used for a creature. Only use royalty free art. We have artists in our forum community that would probably love to do some art for you, so put in a request.