Cave In | Cave In

[joebob777]

i agree something should be done about burrowers, but this card is way to situational, as there are only 4 monsters that burrow, and possible mutations, and if there are 4 false gods that burrow, 1 is a rainbow, 1 only has 2 pests and the other 2 are earth decks, so 4 out of 24 FG's have burrow, furthering the cause of the current card being situational
andd upped only hurting opponent is decent for upped, but cost needs to stay 3|3 or maybe even 3|4

[Nepycros]

Think of it this way: I would only use this if I was fighting a hell of an army of shriekers. Other than that, there is no reason to kill burrowed creatures. All the other creatures are weak, and can't help you win the game without either Fractal or a major buff of some kind. That makes this a Shrieker counter, something so situational, its usefulness is slim to none, or to put numerically, around 4% of Elements players would have this in their decks.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Which is why suggested it deal minor damage to unburrowed creatures, sort of like an  version of thunderstorm with a bonus.

[Flayne]

oh also, what do you think about having the upgraded version only hurt your opponent?

not a bad idea, and i agree that there should be at least one counter for "burrowing creatures", this would so screw up devourer/pest rushes i like the art too, nice colors 

[Rutarete]

i get the feeling that my arguments are not getting past the defense of 'too situational',
so the thing to do is Make it more situational by somehow getting Zanz to publish more burrowing creatures.
it doesn't have to be just earth. can't you see some grub or worm being a life element with burrow?

[Rutarete]

 nice colors 

i spent a half hour on paint. thank you

[ZephyrPhantom]

i get the feeling that my arguments are not getting past the defense of 'too situational',
so the thing to do is Make it more situational by somehow getting Zanz to publish more burrowing creatures.
it doesn't have to be just earth. can't you see some grub or worm being a life element with burrow?

Yeah, but it's not there... at least for now make do something to unburrowed creatures as well. The card can be changed when more burrowing creatures come out and the card pool increases.

[Rutarete]

alright.
also, a friend suggested that the name be Collapse.
which do you guys think is better, COllapse or it's current name?

[EvaRia]

Collapse | Cave-in sounds good.

As I said, maybe in the future.

There are card ideas floating around that let you burrow creatures. This would make this much less than useless.

As the card pool increases, so do oppurtunity for situational cards to be less situational.

The card itself isn't bad or horribly unbalanced, (except maybe make it deal damage instead of instant kill)  merely useless in the current environment. However, the environment is constantly changing and this could be a viable card in a future update.

[Flayne]

The card itself isn't bad or horribly unbalanced, (except maybe make it deal damage instead of instant kill)  merely useless in the current environment.

i disagree, it should instant kill due to the low amount of burrowers in the game, if this actually makes it into the game, and if more burrowing creatures make it into the game, it can always be nerfed later on, but for now i reckon instant kill sounds good, otherwise whats the use? if there are so little burrowers, i mean c´mon theres only like 4 creatures that can burrow

and how is it overpowered? if this card somehow forces the opponent not to burrow the creatures (precognition or constant use of the card by other player, causing manual predictions for the opponent), the only thing in a mono-earth deck that can be done to the unburrowed creatures is "stone skin",
you´d at least need to have a duo or rainbow deck to actually do some damage to the creatures, this card won´t work in a mono-earth deck.