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Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg511321#msg511321
« on: June 14, 2012, 07:09:44 pm »
NAME:
Cave
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
4 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Dragons may be played at no cost but delayed for 5 turns.
If Cave is destroyed all dragons take 5 damage.
NAME:
Cave
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
4 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Dragons may be played at no cost but delayed for 4 turns.
If Cave is destroyed all dragons take 6 damage.

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NOTES:
Dragons are creatures from the list:
:aether Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon (also enters delayed)
:air Azure Dragon | Sky Dragon
:darkness Black Dragon | Obsidian Dragon
:death Bone Dragon | Ivory Dragon
:earth Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon
:entropy Purple Dragon | Amethyst Dragon
:fire Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon
:gravity Colossal Dragon | Massive Dragon
:life Emerald Dragon | Jade Dragon
:light Golden Dragon | Light Dragon
:time Devonian Dragon | Silurian Dragon
:water Ice Dragon | Arctic Dragon
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg511336#msg511336
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 07:53:30 pm »
I think to actually make this work in-game, the mechanic would have to be changed to an ability that would be activel chosen. That is, change the wording to something like "0: cast a dragon from your hand for no cost. It is delayed for 5 turns. This can be done more than once/turn."

Otherwise, i think this is pretty awesome.
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512168#msg512168
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 06:46:13 pm »
this is really overpowered.

well, a deck could be built to terribly exploit this.

bunch of Basalts, maybe Celestial. Throw this with an EA and spam away, if you go time, you can spam devs, if you go life, you can spam Jades and Adrenaline them for reduced delay...

certainly complex, but very, very powerful

still like it though

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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512171#msg512171
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 06:50:13 pm »
Lol @ Celestial, neah, just play this with some EAs and random dragons.
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512174#msg512174
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 06:52:28 pm »
Interesting card. I see this being used with either Phase or Basalt dragons the most, as it's either the most sturdy or making the most of the most expensive dragon choices you have. And yeah, slap a PA on, and you're good to go. Too bad mitosis doesn't count... >: )
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512229#msg512229
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 09:43:05 pm »
the 5 turn delay makes it not actually that useful, unless your goal is to gravity pull a massive dragon. in that case its incredibly useful.

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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512372#msg512372
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 06:46:04 am »
the 5 turn delay makes it not actually that useful, unless your goal is to gravity pull a massive dragon. in that case its incredibly useful.

Really? Fractal ruby dragons + chimera + sky blitz = very cheap FG OTK (5 cards + 4 :earth + 9 :aether + 8 :gravity + 8 :air for 240 damage). If you are familiar with OTKs, you will know this is VERY cheap. Instosis itself costs 8 cards + 12  :time + 4  :life + 12 :rainbow (which can sometimes make you lose the next quanta needed in the combo) + 8 :air + 6 :gravity for 216 damage.
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512433#msg512433
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 10:50:19 am »
the 5 turn delay makes it not actually that useful, unless your goal is to gravity pull a massive dragon. in that case its incredibly useful.

Really? Fractal ruby dragons + chimera + sky blitz = very cheap FG OTK (5 cards + 4 :earth + 9 :aether + 8 :gravity + 8 :air for 240 damage). If you are familiar with OTKs, you will know this is VERY cheap. Instosis itself costs 8 cards + 12  :time + 4  :life + 12 :rainbow (which can sometimes make you lose the next quanta needed in the combo) + 9 :air + 8 :gravity for 216 damage.

I agree with Annele here, but there's a very simple fix: classify chimera under that delay.

Not sure how to get the wording to fit then though

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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512521#msg512521
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 04:07:38 pm »
chimera removes all status effects.

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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512523#msg512523
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 04:21:54 pm »
Can't say it is much worse than Mitosilurian-SoR...
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512526#msg512526
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 04:28:31 pm »
chimera removes all status effects.

No, it simply never had the status effects in the first place. Chimera is treated as a normal creature card, with a "remove all of your creatures" effect triggered on casting, and with atk/hp stats determined by the creatures removed this way. Thus, it can be given status effects just like any other creature.
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Re: Cave | Cave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41277.msg512539#msg512539
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 05:00:44 pm »
Combos with SoF for mass dragon removal! :p

 

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