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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11359#msg11359
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:28 pm »

it is not more situational than purify.

yes the chances of going against someone who uses hourglass are in theory low, but what about rainbow decks (of which there are a lot in the t50) and almost every rainbow deck uses hourglass.
Think about it. Is a rainbow deck in trouble if its creatures don't attack early in the game? No. It's doesn't make any difference. Most rainbow deck (that have Hourglass) are built for stalling the game until the end when they have and invincible army on the table. At that point they don't even have to draw multiple cards (and they usually don't) so this card would be useless.

This card would be most effective against mono-time (with Hourglasses), and either useless or weak against everything else.

Like I said, much more situational than Purify.

As for this problem with False Gods.. yes, this card would totally destroy them if the wording on the card stayed like that. But it would be easy to fix by changing the text to: "..if you opponent uses Hasten..".

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11360#msg11360
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:28 pm »

Make this a permanent and pair it up with a permanent that causes your opponent to draw an extra card and you'd have for a great combo. It should be able to be destroyed or stolen.
It is a permanent, Socrdawg.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11361#msg11361
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:28 pm »

if you had a permanent thats effect forced your opponent to draw a card that would be incredibly dangerous

imagine play 6 of them with 6 protect artiafcts you could easily force a deck-out. although such a card would give you good defense against speed decks.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11666#msg11666
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

The concept is OK, but situational.

I don't see why it deserves to be not able to be destroyed or stolen though.



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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11667#msg11667
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

No, the effect is not just "if your opponent uses hasten".  If your opponent draws two or more cards, period.  So yes, FGs get hosed by this, but yet, it remains balanced against players, because players can choose to draw cards or not.

As for the situational situation, think about it: it goes only one way.  So while your opponent can only draw one card a turn (otherwise forgoes his attack), you can draw as much as you like.  So it's massive card advantage or tempo advantage for you.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11668#msg11668
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

No, the effect is not just "if your opponent uses hasten".  If your opponent draws two or more cards, period.  So yes, FGs get hosed by this, but yet, it remains balanced against players, because players can choose to draw cards or not.
???
So you want a card that is instant-win against ALL False Gods?

After you played this (non-destructible) card, no creature of the False God would attack for the rest of the match and there would be NO counter to it!

This "draw two or more cards" is called hasten in Elements, so I don't see any reason not to use it.


As for the situational situation, think about it: it goes only one way.  So while your opponent can only draw one card a turn (otherwise forgoes his attack), you can draw as much as you like.  So it's massive card advantage or tempo advantage for you.
???
What? You do realize that "you can draw as much as you like" even without this card, right?

Brain Freeze would basically counter ONE card in this game, Hourglass. You don't think a card whose sole purpose is to counter ONE other card, is maybe a little bit too situational?

1. If your opponent doesn't have Hourglass -> Brain Freeze is 100% useless

2. If your opponent has Hourglass, but you draw Brain Freeze later in the game -> Brain Freeze is 95% useless (because opponent probably stopped drawing multiple cards anyways so that he won't deck out)

3. If your opponent has Hourglass and you draw Brain Freeze early in the game -> ...

Does it damage your opponent? No.
Does it heal you? No.
Then what does it do?

..It stalls the game IF your opponent draws multiple cards.  :-\

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11669#msg11669
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

Should I modify it to give the ability to hasten your opponent on his next turn?

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11670#msg11670
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

Make it so both players don't draw a card next turn, and if someone forces a draw, his creatures dontn attack.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11671#msg11671
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

Make it so both players don't draw a card next turn, and if someone forces a draw, his creatures dontn attack.
Um.. what?

Ok, people why the need to make this overly complicated?

Here's how this card would work:

Brain Freeze

Permanent (can be destroyed/stolen)
"Opponent takes 5 damage every time he draws a card"

1. Simple
2. Non-situational
3. Works against both Hourglass AND Sundial

No need to thank me.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11672#msg11672
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

actually scared girls suggestion might work well, although it would make any false god really easy since as soon as you get this card out the false god gets 5 points of poison, only it happens at the beginning of the turn instead of end. and it would absolutely slaughter rainbow. since he uses so many hourglasses. also would it be stackable? like if you had two of them would you do 10 damage per extra card drawn? this would actually provide another non-rainbow-strat that can kill gods even more consistently then any rainbow deck ever created think about it. 6 of this card 6 protect artifacts, mark of earth, some pillars (would need to be balanced properly) and a bunch of stall cards. basically you would play brain freeze, protect it and wait behind your wall of stall until the god kills itself because it can' stop drawing multiple cards. only option would be to make this rare so that you can't buy it.

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Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11673#msg11673
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

Yeah, I think it would make the false gods super easy, but MAN this kind of card would be fun if it had the effect SG proposed.

Brain Freeze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1207.msg11674#msg11674
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:29 pm »

AHEM in the false/computer AI explanation by (chriskang...I  think) it said     "if hand < 8 then draw again" which implies that the AI has a choice to draw again or not, I may be wrong but still.

 

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