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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451012#msg451012
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 05:53:29 am »
Funnily enough, I thought of a card that gave the voodoo passive just a while ago, but decided not to post it.

I like it. It's a form of soft creature protection, as opposed to the hard creature protection given by Quintessence. I think the cost could be decreased slightly though.
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451092#msg451092
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2012, 03:25:17 pm »
Armagio 6|6 :gravity + X :darkness + 1 turn + 2 card for 25|30 voodoo and 1|2 attack
Default: 2 :darkness + 2|1 :gravity + 2 cards for 16|20 voodoo

Chimera + Pin + Creatures vs Voodoo + Gravity Pull + Basilisk Bloods

I am not sure it is ever superior to Voodoo Doll and I am not sure if it can cost low enough.

Does this mean current form is a free spell?
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451136#msg451136
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2012, 05:50:52 pm »
Armagio 6|6 :gravity + X :darkness + 1 turn + 2 card for 25|30 voodoo and 1|2 attack
Default: 2 :darkness + 2|1 :gravity + 2 cards for 16|20 voodoo

Chimera + Pin + Creatures vs Voodoo + Gravity Pull + Basilisk Bloods

I am not sure it is ever superior to Voodoo Doll and I am not sure if it can cost low enough.

Does this mean current form is a free spell?
It is hard to cost less than Voodoo Doll yet more than Heavy Armor.
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451139#msg451139
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2012, 06:03:44 pm »
This Idea seems to be liked, How can it be made versatile and balanced?
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451146#msg451146
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2012, 06:13:48 pm »
Nice idea
ruby + pin  :P
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451147#msg451147
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2012, 06:14:11 pm »
Thematically, the doll is for control and the pin is for torture, right? What if along with giving Voodoo passive it also dealt some damage to that creature per turn? Or something else along a similar line of thought.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2012, 06:20:36 pm »
Thematically, the doll is for control and the pin is for torture, right? What if along with giving Voodoo passive it also dealt some damage to that creature per turn? Or something else along a similar line of thought.
Like an Infection counter?

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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451152#msg451152
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2012, 06:25:20 pm »
Thematically, the doll is for control and the pin is for torture, right? What if along with giving Voodoo passive it also dealt some damage to that creature per turn? Or something else along a similar line of thought.
Like an Infection counter?
Something like that. Though wouldn't you have to poison the pin first? ;)
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Re: Pin | Pin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35838.msg451167#msg451167
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2012, 07:10:14 pm »
Balance requires that a new card would not obsolete another card nor would be rendered obsolete by an existing card.

The value of new cards comes from their contribution to increasing the size and diversity of the metagame. This requires that a new card add diversity to the metagame.

This boils down to 3 basic requirements
1) The new card must not do a better job than an existing card. [aka Not OP]
1) The new card must not do a worse job than an existing card. [aka Not UP]
1) The new card must not do the same job as an existing card. [aka Not redundant]

The existing card Voodoo and the new card Pin which teaches a creature Voodoo will have great problems simultaneously fulfilling all of these requirements. But I have often been surprised by the community having a solution.
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