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Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319475#msg319475
« on: April 25, 2011, 09:10:55 am »
NAME:
Black Widow
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
-5|1
TEXT:
Poison
NAME:
Dark Widow
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
-7|1
TEXT:
Deadly Poison
ART:
my friend are drawing it....
IDEA:
karis
NOTES:
um...  simple right?   negative attack power creature still can attack your opponent.   but it will heal your opponent too.
SERIES:
don't

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319532#msg319532
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 01:39:12 pm »
For those that don't know -n attack passes through shields, and usually gets ignored by the AI.
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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319537#msg319537
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 01:48:52 pm »
Ok with having the Black Widow, but not with a big negative poison value.  The ability doesn't fit the creature (black widows don't heal people ;) ).

Other than that, a creature that enters the game with a negative value is neat.

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319538#msg319538
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 02:01:25 pm »
Black Widow may not be the best name for this concept.
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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319600#msg319600
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 03:55:02 pm »
Upgraded has Deadly POison? Ouch.
In just 3 turns one upgraded will have overcome its' healing capacity with poison. Wow. That's how effective this is. Look out, Zero CC decks!
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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319617#msg319617
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:35:08 pm »
So basically:


1st turn, 7 hp healed, +3 poison.

2nd turn, 7-3 hp healed = 4 healed, + 3 poison

3rd turn, 7-6 hp healed = 1 healed, + 3 poison

4th turn, 7-9 hp healed = -2 healed = 2 damage + 3 poison.

takes 4 turns for poison damage to overcome healing.

5th turn, 7-12 healed = -5 healed = 5 damage + 3 poison

6th turn, 7- 15 = -8 healed = 8 damage + 3 poison.

7th  turn, 7-18 = -11 healed = 11 damage + 3 poison.

One widow + death stalker + Arsenic = 6 poison counters each turn

with that combo, 2nd turn poison is overcome .


overall an intersting card mechanic, i like it very much  :)




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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319629#msg319629
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 04:52:55 pm »
So basically:


1st turn, 7 hp healed, +3 poison.

2nd turn, 7-3 hp healed = 4 healed, + 3 poison

3rd turn, 7-6 hp healed = 1 healed, + 3 poison

4th turn, 7-9 hp healed = -2 healed = 2 damage + 3 poison.

takes 4 turns for poison damage to overcome healing.

5th turn, 7-12 healed = -5 healed = 5 damage + 3 poison

6th turn, 7- 15 = -8 healed = 8 damage + 3 poison.

7th  turn, 7-18 = -11 healed = 11 damage + 3 poison.

One widow + death stalker + Arsenic = 6 poison counters each turn

with that combo, 2nd turn poison is overcome .


overall an intersting card mechanic, i like it very much  :)
Actually not....
By turn 3, it heals a total of 7+4+1=12 HP

so

turn 4: 12-2 =10
turn 5: 10-5 =5
turn 6: 5-8 = -3

Basically if you add the effects together, the total damage will only overcome the total healing after 6 turns. (assuming the healing was useful and not wasted)

The unupped version is therefore even more UP. IMO it would take too long for it to be used effectively. (Again assuming the healing is useful)
Maybe lower the healing to 3 and 5 ?

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319637#msg319637
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 05:18:35 pm »
The healing vs poison is based on long-game.  It would only need to create 8 poison (4 turns) to overwhelm the affects of healing in the long term.  This unit isn't intended for the short game.

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319689#msg319689
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 06:32:52 pm »
So basically:


1st turn, 7 hp healed, +3 poison.

2nd turn, 7-3 hp healed = 4 healed, + 3 poison

3rd turn, 7-6 hp healed = 1 healed, + 3 poison

4th turn, 7-9 hp healed = -2 healed = 2 damage + 3 poison.

takes 4 turns for poison damage to overcome healing.

5th turn, 7-12 healed = -5 healed = 5 damage + 3 poison

6th turn, 7- 15 = -8 healed = 8 damage + 3 poison.

7th  turn, 7-18 = -11 healed = 11 damage + 3 poison.

One widow + death stalker + Arsenic = 6 poison counters each turn

with that combo, 2nd turn poison is overcome .


overall an intersting card mechanic, i like it very much  :)
Actually not....
By turn 3, it heals a total of 7+4+1=12 HP

so

turn 4: 12-2 =10
turn 5: 10-5 =5
turn 6: 5-8 = -3

Basically if you add the effects together, the total damage will only overcome the total healing after 6 turns. (assuming the healing was useful and not wasted)

The unupped version is therefore even more UP. IMO it would take too long for it to be used effectively. (Again assuming the healing is useful)
Maybe lower the healing to 3 and 5 ?
Umm, i think you misunderstood...
opponent has 100hp
1st, widow (upped version) does -7 damage (heals 7 so plus nothing because of full health) and puts 3 poison counters.
end turn, opponent receives 3 poison damage. now has 97.
2nd, next turn: 7 hp heals, opponent has 100hp again , and then adds 3 poison counters. total poison now 6.
end turn opponent receives 6 damage, now has 94.
3rd, next turn: 7 hp heal, opponent has 100hp again, adds 3 poison counters. total poison now is 9.
end turn, opponent receives 9 damage, now has 91hp.
4th, next turn: 7hp heal, look! opponent has 98hp, not 100 this time, whoa  ::), adds 3 poison counters, total poison = 12.

I count... 4 TURNS! not 6...  ::)
 




 

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319694#msg319694
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 06:40:11 pm »
(assuming the healing was useful and not wasted)

i was making a case, in which the HP was not at max... Because then it would take longer to equal the healing.
(wasted healing = healing 7 when having more than 93 HP)

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319708#msg319708
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 06:50:13 pm »
Ok ok... enough arguing about how we're arguing.

Change the name to "Drug Dealer", or something, that makes it seem all ok at first... until it kills you.

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Re: Black Widow|Dark Widow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25051.msg319720#msg319720
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 07:03:07 pm »
So i think the overall point (referring to the math) is that this card has a very quick and big effect. Perhaps make the poison for upgraded 2 instead of 3?
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