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Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460683#msg460683
« on: February 15, 2012, 06:24:02 pm »
NAME:
Biological Engineer
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
5 :gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 2
TEXT:
:life Engineer:  Turn target creature into a creature of its element's next tier.  10% chance to reverse effect.
NAME:
Genetic Engineer
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
5 :gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 5
TEXT:
:life Enhance:  Turn target creature into a creature of its element's next tier. 
ART:
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NOTES:
I typically thought there could be a counter-effect to the Fallen Elf | Fallen Druid card.  The idea that this generally improves the target card's stats, and it also gives it the skill of the product.  It also has the slight orientation of a rainbow feel, something which I feel should be hard-synergized in every element, while typically the best left to Entropy.  Upgrade status of the product is dependent of the upgrade status of the engineered/enhances host.
Here is a first-glance table at how the tier system works, and the niche may vary by opinion and actual capability of the card, and some element balance may shift a creature's teir:
:rainbowTokensSupport/SynergyAttackersDragonNymph
:aetherSpark | Ball LightningPhase Spider | Phase Recluse, flying Lobotomizer | flying ElectrocutorImmortal | Elite ImmortalPhase Dragon | Elite Phase DragonTurquoise Nymph | Aether Nymph
:airDragonfly | DamselflyFirefly | Elite Firefly, Firefly Queen | Elite Queen, flying Owl's Eye | flying Eagle's EyeWym | Elite WyrmAzure Dragon | Sky DragonBlue Nymph | Air Nymph
:darknessDevourer | Pest,
Parasite | Bloodsucker
Minor Vampire | Vampire, Voodoo Doll | Voodoo Doll, flying Vampire Stiletto | flying Vampire DaggerGargoyle | Elite GargoyleBlack Dragon | Obsidian DragonBlack Nymph | Dark Nymph
:deathSkeleton | Elite Skeleton,
Virus | Retrovirus
Flesh Spider | Flesh Recluse, Deathstalker | Deathstalker, flying Arsenic | flying ArsenicMummy | Elite MummyBone Dragon | Ivory DragonGrey Nymph | Death Nymph
:earthGnome Rider | Gnome GemfinderAntlion | Elite Antlion, Iridium Warden | Vanadium Warden, flying Pulverizer | flying PulverizerGraboid | Elite Graboid, Hematite Golem | Steel Golem, Shrieker | Elite ShriekerStone Dragon | Basalt DragonAuburn Nymph | Earth Nymph
:entropySchrödinger's cat | Schrödinger's catFallen Elf | Fallen Druid, Microabomination, Maxwell's Demon | Maxwell's Demon, flying Discord | flying DiscordAbomination, Lycanthrope | WerewolfPurple Dragon | Amethyst DragonPurple Nymph | Purple Nymph
:fireAsh Eater | Brimstone EaterFire Spirit | Fire Spectre, Minor PhoenixPhoenix, Lava Golem | Lava Destroyer, flying Fahrenheit | flying FahrenheitCrimson Dragon | Ruby DragonRed Nymph | Fire Nymph
:gravityGraviton Fire Eater | Graviton FiremasterOtyugh | Elite Otyugh,
Armagio | Elite Armagio
Graviton Mercenary | Graviton Guard, Charger | Elite Charger, flying Titan | flying TitanColossal Dragon | Massive DragonAmber Nymph | Gravity Nymph
:lifeRustler | Leaf DragonForest Scorpion | Scorpion, Forest Spirit | Forest Spectre, flying Druidic Staff | flying Jade StaffHorned Frog | Giant Frog, Cockatrice | Elite CockatriceEmerald Dragon | Jade DragonGreen Nymph | Life Nymph
:lightPhoton | Ray of LightGuardian Angel, Crusader | Elite CrusaderArchangel, Pegasus | Elite Pegasus, flying Morning Star | flying Morning GloryGolden Dragon | Light DragonLight Nymph | Light Nymph
:timeDeja Vu | Elite Deja Vu, Fate EggScarab | Elite Scarab, Pharaoh | Elite Pharaoh, Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion, Anubis | Elite Anubis, flying Eternity | flying EternityGhost of the Past | Ghost of the PastDevonian Dragon | Silurian DragonGolden Nymph | Golden Nymph
:waterChryssaora | PhysaliaArctic Squid | Arctic Octopus, Toadfish | Pufferfish, Steam Machine | Steam Machine, Mind Flayer | Ulitharid, flying Trident | flying TridentBlue Crawler, Abyss CrawlerIce Dragon | Arctic DragonNymph Queen | Nymph Queen
Weapon placement is only for when they are targeted with Engineer, not for the possible outcome of the effect.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460685#msg460685
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 06:31:55 pm »
If I'm getting this right, this card essentially upgrades a creature. Seems interesting enough. I don't quite see how it falls under gravity's theme, but using  :life as activation cost seems pretty spot on.
This might be a better  :time card. I.e. its like forcing the creature to evolve instantly.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460686#msg460686
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 06:35:37 pm »
By tier are we talking about upgraded cards or a new set of improved cards?

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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460687#msg460687
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 06:37:16 pm »
If I'm getting this right, this card essentially upgrades a creature. Seems interesting enough. I don't quite see how it falls under gravity's theme, but using  :life as activation cost seems pretty spot on.
This might be a better  :time card. I.e. its like forcing the creature to evolve instantly.
The reason for Gravity orientation is that while you are evolving the target creature, which is a Time theme, you are doing it in a technological way, which is usually a Gravity theme.

By tier are we talking about upgraded cards or a new set of improved cards?
Tier corresponds to the classification of a creature based on an evaluation of all of its aspects collectively.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460688#msg460688
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 06:38:26 pm »
Once it becomes an immortal, nothing else could change it.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460700#msg460700
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 07:32:12 pm »
what do you mean by "tier"?
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460706#msg460706
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 07:42:23 pm »
what do you mean by "tier"?
By tier are we talking about upgraded cards or a new set of improved cards?
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460709#msg460709
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 07:52:02 pm »
In order to affect an immaterial creature with this it would need to be marked somehow before gaining that status.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460753#msg460753
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 10:17:47 pm »
having a chance to mutate without :entropy involved, especially in it's elemental opposite, is so very wrong.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460783#msg460783
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 11:50:22 pm »
Once it becomes an immortal, nothing else could change it.
That is rather tricky, yes, but Aether being of other-worldly beings than any other element as a theme may not really have genes or something of that nature, so sadly Aether has a partial exclusion of the feature.

having a chance to mutate without :entropy involved, especially in it's elemental opposite, is so very wrong.
The non-upgrade having mutation as a side effect is supposed to represent the fact that it is not a fully mastered technology, similar to some other upgrade themes like Mutation and Graviton Fire Master.
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg460785#msg460785
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 12:03:07 am »
find something else, like a chance of death or downgrade
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Re: Biological Engineer | Genetic Engineer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36709.msg461027#msg461027
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 08:32:21 pm »
find something else, like a chance of death or downgrade
I'll go with the chance to reverse the effect (not downgrade, there is a difference).
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