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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg36933#msg36933
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 02:14:05 am »
PAd Fahrenheit > This. For fahrenheit, so long as you have 5 burning pillars, you're gaining 1 damage/turn for no cost (in fact, you're GAINING quantum). With this, you're gaining 1 damage/turn for 1 aether upped. And fahrenheit is much cheaper to play and has 5 starting attack versus waiting 5 turns to start doing even okay damage.

All in all, I think it's almost underpowered. Not overpowered.

Unless I don't understand the concept.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg36967#msg36967
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 02:51:08 am »
When stolen or deflaged, do you steal/destroy all of them or just one?
He said it's like bonewall, so i'm assuming it's only taking out a single layer, not the whole stack
Yes

And it may as well be immortal, as there's no way to destroy it besides steal and deflag, which it would easily get around.
The weapon form is mortal, but the creature form is immortal. I can change this if people don't like it

PAd Fahrenheit > This. For fahrenheit, so long as you have 5 burning pillars, you're gaining 1 damage/turn for no cost (in fact, you're GAINING quantum). With this, you're gaining 1 damage/turn for 1 aether upped. And fahrenheit is much cheaper to play and has 5 starting attack versus waiting 5 turns to start doing even okay damage.

All in all, I think it's almost underpowered. Not overpowered.

Unless I don't understand the concept.
The thing they are arguing, is that deflag/steal only destroys one Aether Dagger/Sword, while Fahren is destroyed once and for all.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg36970#msg36970
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 02:53:51 am »
Did you read "PA"? Earth mark splash isn't that hard. Especially since you get golems too.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37041#msg37041
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 05:11:57 am »
Oh! Protect Artifact. I was just wondering what's PA

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37065#msg37065
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 06:39:17 am »
not my favorite...

btw, everyone talks about cost-effect ratio...let's remember that this isn't MtG...it is VERY possible to get 3 towers first turn, which means you have 7 quanta at eot. That means the upped version comes out on 3rd turn, without playing any more towers. With 4 towers first turn, this comes out 2nd turn. The amount of quanta built up with these also means you can use the ability every turn. This game is very different from other games when dealing with cost ratios, since Towers give 2 quanta first turn, can be played multiples per turn, and quanta is rolled over each turn.
So...you plan on having 6 of these in your deck and playing nothing else for the entire game?

Good luck with that.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37106#msg37106
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 01:27:35 pm »
And it may as well be immortal, as there's no way to destroy it besides steal and deflag, which it would easily get around.
The weapon form is mortal, but the creature form is immortal. I can change this if people don't like it
Ah, but you can't kill it by stealing it or deflaging it, as there's multiple of them by turn two.  So it may as well be immortal.  Perhaps you should say stealing/deflagging one steals/deflags the whole stack.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37110#msg37110
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 01:35:54 pm »
So...you plan on having 6 of these in your deck and playing nothing else for the entire game?

Good luck with that.
what makes you think I wouldn't play anything else? You can play this third or fourth turn and have more than enough quanta generation to play other cards, including phase shield, immortals, dragons, whatever you want. I was just pointing out the difference in the way quanta is generated, stored, and used in this game related to some other games. Each game is different, and needs to be treated as such.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37230#msg37230
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 06:27:51 pm »
As Puppy has said, PA'd Fahren is more powerful than this. Fahren is a rare, so would you feel better if this is a rare?

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37310#msg37310
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 08:00:13 pm »
As Puppy has said, PA'd Fahren is more powerful than this. Fahren is a rare, so would you feel better if this is a rare?
Umm, Fahren *can be* more powerful than this, that doesn't mean it always is. If you set up a deck to abuse Fahren, of course it's more powerful than pretty much any other weapon out there, especially when looking purely at damage dealt. However, if you don't have a "Red Deck Wins" type of deck (massive amounts of :fire generated), then your Fahren doesn't get all that powerful. It only does 15 damage when you have 50 :fire . This, however, doesn't require massive amounts of :aether, upped only requires 1 per turn, meaning all your other :aether is open to play other cards, unlike Fahren.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37401#msg37401
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 11:43:55 pm »
guys, i think you are all a little bit excited about nothing. I really dont see a point in even using this card. For a elite physe dragon, you pay 14 :aether for 10 damage. for the aether sword, you pay 18  :aether. of course, its a weapon but the dragon is also immortal and nearly untouable.
and to the comparison to the other weapons: it takes you 9 rounds to get a damage of 9, which is til this point the average damage of a 5dmg weapon. with the difference, that you have to pay for it every round and that it takes you 9 round to keep it going, without any ability. from that poitn on, it is probably nice to have and an easy and with PA a secure way to buff the damage, but you can have this damage so much easier and especially in a mono/duo deck, so much faster, that there is no point in my eyes. but i might be wrong..
and in a rainbow deck, a quinted spirit/golem is so much cheaper and faster to build up.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37428#msg37428
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 01:02:15 am »
personly i think its OP, spam this with phase shields and your unstoppable......

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37429#msg37429
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 01:03:49 am »
Spam Elite Phase Dragons with Phase Shields and you're unstoppable, too. :) Aether rocks like that.

 

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