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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37431#msg37431
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 01:10:27 am »
but this is a weapon you can (basically) copy and add another one. you cant do that with a phase dragon (yet phase dragons still rule all other dragons)

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37434#msg37434
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 01:26:09 am »
but this is a weapon you can (basically) copy and add another one. you cant do that with a phase dragon (yet phase dragons still rule all other dragons)
If you get a 30 card deck, the MOST damage this weapon will EVER do is 22. Cost would be 30 aether.

I need just 3 unupped phase dragons out to do the same damage. Seems underpowered to me. Cost would be 39 aether (but you get 2 more damage too).

AND the dragons would be doing more damage overall.

Think of this scenario:

Play Aether sword *played with 22 cards left in deck
+1 every turn, dim shield as needed.
Total damage: 253
Cost: 30 Aether

With 7 aether pillars.
Play Phase dragon *played with 21 cards left in deck
dim shield as needed, play a dragon when possible.
8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 16, 16, 16, 16, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 40, 40
Total damage: 488

Obviously dragons would be better. But that isn't a great comparison since I could also play dragons WITH that weapon. But let's compare the aether sword's total damage with the lobo's.

Play Lobo *played with 22 cards left in deck
dim shield as needed.
Total damage: 110
Cost: 3 Aether (Let's say 9 since two of them got destroyed :P)

So you get more than double the damage with the aether sword ***FOR THREE-TEN TIMES THE COST***, but honestly as shown before the phase dragons do plenty damage and you don't really need the extra damage. However, the lobo's ability can stifle some decks and is a great addition.

So Lobo > Aether sword and lobo isn't even the best weapon.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37445#msg37445
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 01:49:50 am »
Yep, Puppy basically summed up what I would say if I had the time and stamina to say it. :) It's interesting, but not really worth the effort in the end.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37586#msg37586
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 11:51:54 am »
This weapon would be the most underpowered weapon in the game imo.

It's expensive, slow, and if each of the daggers do the damage individually, way too easy to counter with most shields.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37591#msg37591
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 12:09:42 pm »
What if it does 2 damage or doubles the stack with the skill?

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37606#msg37606
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 03:14:19 pm »
Doubling the stack?! Lol, Aflatoxin-like fun.

Round 1: 1 damage
Round 2: 2 damage
Round 3: 4 damage
Round 4: 8 damage
Round 5: 16 damage
Round 6: 32 damage
Round 7: 64 damage

DEATH.

Making it deal 2 damage... is acceptable, I guess.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37647#msg37647
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2010, 05:37:28 pm »
OK, changing to deal 2 damage after some more comments

And see if you like this new art:
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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37651#msg37651
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2010, 05:40:12 pm »
:) Better than the first art. I applaud you, pepokish. Good change.

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg37682#msg37682
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2010, 06:11:31 pm »
Actually I have done the smudging, but I don't feel like changing the art field 'cuz I have done so little compared to what pepokish has done

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg38243#msg38243
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2010, 06:40:10 pm »
ScaredGirl brought up a good point that got glossed over:

Do the daggers do damage as individuals (i.e. a single Skull Shield would prevent all damage, but they would mow through a Bone Wall) or as a unit (the opposite)?

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg38590#msg38590
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2010, 05:27:20 am »
ScaredGirl brought up a good point that got glossed over:

Do the daggers do damage as individuals (i.e. a single Skull Shield would prevent all damage, but they would mow through a Bone Wall) or as a unit (the opposite)?
Subject to discussion. I didn't give much thought to it. If you want be to answer this without thinking before SG's post, I would say individual. But seems this is not a good idea. That's why I proposed to increase attack to 2 so it at least get some dmg through

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Re: Best Weapon Idea Entry: Aether Dagger --> Aether Sword https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3842.msg38738#msg38738
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2010, 06:51:57 pm »
the +1 damage is good. easiest fix imo would be making it start with a certain ammount (maybe 3 or 4) that way it won't be so underpowered

 

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