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Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg232333#msg232333
« on: December 24, 2010, 07:12:18 pm »
NAME:
Bane
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
6 :fire
TYPE:
Permament
ATK|HP:
6|6 (When flown)
TEXT:
Weapon: Deal 6 daamge at the end of the turn.
Supperssion: All creatures recieve -1|-1.
NAME:
Bane
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
6 :fire
TYPE:
Permament
ATK|HP:
6|9 (When flown)
TEXT:
Weapon: Deal 6 damage at the end of the turn.
Supperssion: All opponents creatures recieve -1|-1.
ART:
In need of art (its suppoused to be a great hammer of fire)
IDEA:
Cynxos
NOTES:
The reduction cannot lower the attack to negative numbers, as the hp reduction cannot kill the creatures.
SERIES:
Weapon Duo (Perhaps)
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg232438#msg232438
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2010, 10:40:54 pm »
Looks OP'd to me.  Just play a defensive game early, destroy all of your opponent's creatures with Lightning storm on a stick, and then place your creatures.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg232440#msg232440
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2010, 10:42:05 pm »
I'm sure the effect only happens once.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg232446#msg232446
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2010, 10:52:03 pm »
Quote from: 7wavemaster on December 24, 2010, 10:42:05 pm
I'm sure the effect only happens once.
Oh alright then.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg232508#msg232508
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2010, 01:49:15 am »
Quote from: Ajit on December 24, 2010, 10:52:03 pm
Quote from: 7wavemaster on December 24, 2010, 10:42:05 pm
I'm sure the effect only happens once.
Oh alright then.
I really did think it would be abit obvious.
The effect would basically work like eclipse, as in, when there are 2 of these on the field, the effect would prosper when one of them is destroyed.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg233876#msg233876
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 02:49:07 am »
Upgraded one is obviously UP compared to the unupped one.

Reasonable card.
Seems balanced or at least in a +/- 1 quanta range.

This assume that the Suppression effect is a static effect instead of a repeatable effect.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg234639#msg234639
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 05:07:29 am »
Quote from: OldTrees on December 27, 2010, 02:49:07 am
Upgraded one is obviously UP compared to the unupped one.

Reasonable card.
Seems balanced or at least in a +/- 1 quanta range.

This assume that the Suppression effect is a static effect instead of a repeatable effect.
It is indeed a static efect, but would you mind explaining, why you think the upgraded version is up?
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg234643#msg234643
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2010, 05:21:03 am »
 + 3 cost is not enough to justify -1|-1 only for opponents. Unupped is clearly superior to upped because it still has a rush going for less quanta.  Upped... not so much.  Lower cost to 6  :fire for uppped.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg235217#msg235217
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2010, 01:57:19 am »
Quote from: Cynxos on December 28, 2010, 05:07:29 am
Quote from: OldTrees on December 27, 2010, 02:49:07 am
Upgraded one is obviously UP compared to the unupped one.

Reasonable card.
Seems balanced or at least in a +/- 1 quanta range.

This assume that the Suppression effect is a static effect instead of a repeatable effect.
It is indeed a static efect, but would you mind explaining, why you think the upgraded version is up?
I misread the unupped.

They are both UP.
An equivalent effect is only worth the imposed uneveness that can be imposed. (ie almost none. Definitely not 3 quanta worth)
The upgraded effect is a skill that I would rate at 3 quanta worth on average. It currently costs 4-5 quanta.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg235321#msg235321
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 05:08:37 am »
Quote from: OldTrees on December 29, 2010, 01:57:19 am
Quote from: Cynxos on December 28, 2010, 05:07:29 am
Quote from: OldTrees on December 27, 2010, 02:49:07 am
Upgraded one is obviously UP compared to the unupped one.

Reasonable card.
Seems balanced or at least in a +/- 1 quanta range.

This assume that the Suppression effect is a static effect instead of a repeatable effect.
It is indeed a static efect, but would you mind explaining, why you think the upgraded version is up?
I misread the unupped.

They are both UP.
An equivalent effect is only worth the imposed uneveness that can be imposed. (ie almost none. Definitely not 3 quanta worth)
The upgraded effect is a skill that I would rate at 3 quanta worth on average. It currently costs 4-5 quanta.
So basicaly what you're saying that in order to balance the card I should lower the quanta cost?
I actually thought the effect was quite good.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg235340#msg235340
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2010, 05:42:53 am »
Good, but only against RoL/Hope. Lower the cost man, effect is much more ineffective than you think.
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Re: Bane | Bane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18251.msg235575#msg235575
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2010, 04:53:14 pm »
This with a Diamond Shield (or even permafrost) would be awesome. Only creatures with more than 4 attack points damage you.
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