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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454140#msg454140
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 12:00:22 am »
Quote from: willng3 on January 28, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Hmm...how is your opponent supposed to counter being permanently silenced aside from happening to have a Permanent/Creature on the field ahead of time to stop Dream Hawk? 

Do Dream Hawk's counters continue to decrease by 1 each turn regardless of its ability being used that turn?

Can Dream Bird's ability be used to counter the spell, Silence?
While I do feel permanent silence is extremely powerful, you have to take at least five turns to set it up.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454144#msg454144
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 12:05:12 am »
Quote from: furballdn on January 29, 2012, 12:00:22 am
Quote from: willng3 on January 28, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Hmm...how is your opponent supposed to counter being permanently silenced aside from happening to have a Permanent/Creature on the field ahead of time to stop Dream Hawk? 

Do Dream Hawk's counters continue to decrease by 1 each turn regardless of its ability being used that turn?

Can Dream Bird's ability be used to counter the spell, Silence?
While I do feel permanent silence is extremely powerful, you have to take at least five turns to set it up.
It really only takes 3.

Turn 1:  Play quanta, etc., play Dream Hawk.  Considering its effect works just like Phase Shield, one counter is removed when you end your turn.
Opponent's turn:  Free to act.
Turn 2:  Activate its effect, remove one counter.  End turn, remove another counter.
Opponent's turn:  Free to act.
Turn 3:  Activate its effect or just let the turn pass, remove the last counter.
Opponent's turn:  Silenced.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454145#msg454145
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 12:06:11 am »
Quote from: furballdn on January 29, 2012, 12:00:22 am
Quote from: willng3 on January 28, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Hmm...how is your opponent supposed to counter being permanently silenced aside from happening to have a Permanent/Creature on the field ahead of time to stop Dream Hawk? 

Do Dream Hawk's counters continue to decrease by 1 each turn regardless of its ability being used that turn?

Can Dream Bird's ability be used to counter the spell, Silence?
While I do feel permanent silence is extremely powerful, you have to take at least five turns to set it up.
The cost/effect ratio is not the problem. The problem is the magnitude of the effect.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454148#msg454148
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 12:10:29 am »
What I would suggest would be to lower the number of starting counters and change the silence so it's just one turn.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454196#msg454196
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 03:08:53 am »
The whole permanent silence seems a bit overpowered...
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454273#msg454273
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 06:36:19 am »
Quote from: DarkStelth52 on January 29, 2012, 03:08:53 am
The whole permanent silence seems a bit overpowered...
Increase the cost of removing counters and make counters regenerate once it hits zero (for upped version) might do.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454275#msg454275
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 06:42:15 am »
Quote from: Mathematistic on January 29, 2012, 06:36:19 am
Quote from: DarkStelth52 on January 29, 2012, 03:08:53 am
The whole permanent silence seems a bit overpowered...
Increase the cost of removing counters and make counters regenerate once it hits zero (for upped version) might do.
So:
Pay X quanta + Y quanta per turn to defeat your opponent with 1 card?

I think that model is undesirable.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454277#msg454277
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 06:50:37 am »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 29, 2012, 06:42:15 am
Quote from: Mathematistic on January 29, 2012, 06:36:19 am
Quote from: DarkStelth52 on January 29, 2012, 03:08:53 am
The whole permanent silence seems a bit overpowered...
Increase the cost of removing counters and make counters regenerate once it hits zero (for upped version) might do.
So:
Pay X quanta + Y quanta per turn to defeat your opponent with 1 card?

I think that model is undesirable.
Alternatively, make it silence both players?
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454279#msg454279
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2012, 06:53:06 am »
Quote from: Mathematistic on January 29, 2012, 06:50:37 am
Quote from: OldTrees on January 29, 2012, 06:42:15 am
Quote from: Mathematistic on January 29, 2012, 06:36:19 am
Quote from: DarkStelth52 on January 29, 2012, 03:08:53 am
The whole permanent silence seems a bit overpowered...
Increase the cost of removing counters and make counters regenerate once it hits zero (for upped version) might do.
So:
Pay X quanta + Y quanta per turn to defeat your opponent with 1 card?

I think that model is undesirable.
Alternatively, make it silence both players?
Better, but not when it counts. Permanent silence is only a problem when the silenced player is losing, has nothing that can do to improve their situation and did not cause their silence.
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