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Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162503#msg1162503
« on: October 27, 2014, 02:02:44 am »
NAME:
Backfire
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
3 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All creatures and permanents use thier activated abilities on themselves.
NAME:
Shocking Backfire
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
2 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All creatures and permanents use thier activated abilities on themselves.

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NOTES:
Second edition.
Abilities do not use quanta.
To be used like lobo, really.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 03:09:17 pm by Frozengaia »

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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162508#msg1162508
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 02:58:05 am »
No offense but only a handful of creatures will be truly affected.
The others will just use their skills normally "Example: Firefly" while others will have no effect at all "Example: Otyugh".
Others will bring forth questions such as Rustler and Skeleton.
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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162510#msg1162510
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 03:23:24 am »
Oh, I know that only a few things are affected. That's why it took so long to post something in the head for a month.

But those that are affected - Pulvy on itself, lobo on itself, octopus, the nymphs...

Activated abilities only. I'll errata that and provide a list.

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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162531#msg1162531
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 06:02:01 am »
why is this in   :entropy? it seems more like it should be in  :darkness imo just thematically.
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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162550#msg1162550
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2014, 08:52:20 am »
Could I request a name change though? Depress might strike some unwanted memories...

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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162566#msg1162566
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2014, 10:53:20 am »
No synergies in the main post, no obvious synergies, I don't like that. Please explain where you would use it.
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Re: Depress | Shocking Depress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162569#msg1162569
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 10:56:03 am »
No synergies in the main post, no obvious synergies, I don't like that. Please explain where you would use it.
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Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162610#msg1162610
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 02:36:17 pm »
Could I request a name change though? Depress might strike some unwanted memories...
As someone with said unwanted memories... Oh, mweh. Complying.

why is this in   :entropy? it seems more like it should be in  :darkness imo just thematically.
Darkness and entropy both get effects where you can use the opponent's stuff against them, but the idea is a bit different on either side.
On darkness' side, it's to be a dick. Steal is dickish.
On entropy's side, it's to incite chaos. Antimatter is quite weird and sudden, and getting copies of your opponent's cards from pandemonium is amusing.

Due to the rather... uncontrollable nature of this card, in theory (in practice it's quite controlable)

No synergies in the main post, no obvious synergies, I don't like that. Please explain where you would use it.

I don't know.
I make cards before I look at their synergies - more fun that way.

I would compare the card to lobotomizer, however.
Lobotomizer doesn't really have synergy in the same sense as... fractal, and neither does this.
It's more a utility card than anything.

But yes, Dawns' mitosis idea does work.
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Re: Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162643#msg1162643
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2014, 05:52:59 pm »
I don't understand how the card works, please give examples with creatures and permanents
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Re: Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162646#msg1162646
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 06:01:45 pm »
I keep forgetting that the number of words on the card doesn't correlate with its complexity. x.x

Any card with an activated ability in play - For example, Fallen Druid - will automatically use its ability, without paying quanta, on itself.

In the case of fallen druid, it mutates itself.
For iridium druid, it guards itself.
Mindgate puts a copy of itself into its owner's hand.

Creatures that target permanents, such as nymph queen, or permanents that target creatures, such as lobo, still target themself. The card itself is treated like the creature/permanent it targets.

In the case of nymph queen, it kills itself and spawns a nymph queen.
In the case of lobo, it loses its ability to lobotomise other creatures.

This self-targetting ignores restrictions - Otyguh will kill itself, for example.

Activated abilities without targets trigger as normal, such as chrysaora, mitosis and golden hourglass.

...Really not as simple as I thought it was.

It has uses in the case of mitosis on a dragon, but mainly has use in the form of soft CC, comparable to lobo.
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Re: Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162648#msg1162648
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 06:06:11 pm »
...
In the case of fallen druid, it mutates itself.
For iridium druid, it guards itself.
Mindgate puts a copy of itself into its owner's hand.
...

Would an Oty eat itself?  ?_?
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Re: Backfire | Shocking Backfire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56310.msg1162649#msg1162649
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 06:11:19 pm »
Does an Oty have less HP than itself?

 

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