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Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073762#msg1073762
« on: May 24, 2013, 10:03:31 am »
NAME:
Asunder
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy any creature that is damaged. Take damage equal to the health of the destroyed creature.
NAME:
Asunder
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Destroy any creature that is damaged. Take damage equal to the health of the destroyed creature.

ART:

IDEA:
Drake_XIV
NOTES:
If a creature would die by damage or any other effect, it does not trigger Asunder.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 04:03:57 pm by Drake_XIV »

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073771#msg1073771
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 11:41:07 am »
Nice card, once again. Maybe a little on the UP side (no card advantage, need a condition, and a loss of health for 5|4 :darkness
Outside of the balance matter, my question is: is there a need for such a card in ETG?
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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073775#msg1073775
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 12:34:50 pm »
lol at Death/Darkness duo. They already had a synergy (Deathstalker+eclipse/nightfall), now another with SoSac. Think that a 3 :darkness costing drain life on your opponent's creature will result in you getting the health of the creature-4 HPs to your health. Just do so on the last turn of SoSacs so that the creatures continue healing you in the while time and have fun.
I think it is balanced, though.

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073799#msg1073799
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 01:49:30 pm »
Shard of Sacrifice, 1 turn, Asunder, Plague,
Cost: 6 :death|4 :death + 5+|4+ :darkness + 48|40hp + 3 cards
Effect: 4 turns of damage negated, kill all non burrowed/immortal enemy creatures, heal their combined hp-the number of enemy creatures
Repeat cost: 6 :death|4 :death + 0+|0+ :darkness + 48|40hp + 2 cards
Remember: Shard of Sacrifice is contributing to the combo. So some of the balance/imbalance of the combo should be attributed to it.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 01:52:26 pm by OldTrees »
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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073805#msg1073805
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 02:28:15 pm »
SoSac then plague. Cue maniacal laughter.

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073828#msg1073828
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 03:34:50 pm »
SoSac then plague. Cue maniacal laughter.
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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073831#msg1073831
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 03:37:29 pm »
I read it, but SoSac kind of obliterates all your quanta, damages you, and then gives you less turns then dim shield. While effectively costing more.

It's strong, but I think I can make an argument here.

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073836#msg1073836
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 03:41:12 pm »
I read it, but SoSac kind of obliterates all your quanta, damages you, and then gives you less turns then dim shield. While effectively costing more.

It's strong, but I think I can make an argument here.
Areas you can improve/amend/correct your argument:
SoSac does drain all your  :darkness. However since you would be running Darkness off a mark that is not significant.
Yes it does damage you, please see the part where Asunder + Plague heals you in this combo.
SoSac negates 4 turns of damage (by turning 2 turns into healing). This is greater than the 3 Dim Shield provides.
Yes it does cost more, but it also kills all their creatures.
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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073848#msg1073848
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 03:58:47 pm »
Generally, the opponent will not play creatures while SoSac is up. They'll usually wait until the duration has ended, then play all the creatures they were saving. So you take more damage than you healed, therefore making SoSac worth much less than 4.

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073853#msg1073853
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013, 04:20:56 pm »
This has been done before without the retributive damage.
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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073867#msg1073867
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2013, 05:22:46 pm »
This has been done before without the retributive damage.

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Would it be better or worse if it was limited to damage from spells and abilities?  [Removes damage from poison and GPull from the effect]

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Re: Asunder | Asunder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49447.msg1073874#msg1073874
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2013, 05:40:09 pm »
Generally, the opponent will not play creatures while SoSac is up. They'll usually wait until the duration has ended, then play all the creatures they were saving. So you take more damage than you healed, therefore making SoSac worth much less than 4.
We are talking about negating 2 turns of damage you have already taken by healing the next 2 turns of damage. I never said the opponent would play creatures during SoSac. The whole premise is you play SoSacAsunderPlague after they have creatures in order to negate 4 turns of damage and destroy their creatures.

Remember: SoSacAsunderPlague heals more than SoSac.
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