Apollo | Helios

[Hyroen]

Thanks for the long feedback. You did make me see it from a different point of view and now I'll have to change it in some way to make it a lot less op. Maybe not increase attack by the amount of photons? Hp? Or should I just leave the N out altogether?

I believe it really depends on what you want to keep that makes the card:

If you want to keep its attack increasing feel, give that a different mechanic and remove the photon generating outright.If you want to keep its photon generating ability, maybe you could have N = 8 - # of creatures on your side of the field, and can pass 0  . That would keep the damage at a static 7 per turn while keeping into account that you generate 1 Photon per turn

Whatever you do, keep the art no matter what!! 

[b00mc1ap]

ok i see a way to fix this, increase cost by 3, have generate a photon cost 3 light or have the photon generate 2 light, and have it rare.

Ok, I'll do the cost increase when I wake up tomorrow, but I'm a bit confused about what you mean with "have the photon generate 2 light". You want the photons to generate light? RoLs?

I believe it really depends on what you want to keep that makes the card:

If you want to keep its attack increasing feel, give that a different mechanic and remove the photon generating outright.If you want to keep its photon generating ability, maybe you could have N = 8 - # of creatures on your side of the field, and can pass 0  . That would keep the damage at a static 7 per turn while keeping into account that you generate 1 Photon per turn

Whatever you do, keep the art no matter what!! 

I like that second idea. Decreasing the attack by the number of creatures keeps the card a good asset and the photon generating makes up for the loss of attack. I might change the "# of creatures on your side of the field" to the number of photons, while still increasing the cost as killsdazombies suggested.

[gnikdoolb]

have generating a photon cost 2 light is what i think he means.

[b00mc1ap]

have generating a photon cost 2 light is what i think he means.

Oh ok I get it now. Meh I don't like that idea all that much.

[b00mc1ap]

I updated the cards depending on what some of you guys said. I like them a lot more now

[Boingo]

You have way overnerfed this card by adding the 7-N/8-N attack feature.  If the opposing player has any shield up, you effectively get less and less attack every turn with no benefit to yourself.

E.g., Opponent plays Shield buckler
Turn 1: Apollo     =    attack: (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked by shield buckler = 6 damage
Turn 2: Apollo   =    attack (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 6 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 1 photon previous turn) - 1 blocked = 5 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 2 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 4 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage

This card becomes less and less valuable each turn....

[b00mc1ap]

You have way overnerfed this card by adding the 7-N/8-N attack feature.  If the opposing player has any shield up, you effectively get less and less attack every turn with no benefit to yourself.

E.g., Opponent plays Shield buckler
Turn 1: Apollo     =    attack: (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked by shield buckler = 6 damage
Turn 2: Apollo   =    attack (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 6 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 1 photon previous turn) - 1 blocked = 5 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 2 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 4 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage

This card becomes less and less valuable each turn....

Photons with momentum?

Or how about attack | hp is 7|7-N and 8|8-N?
Then if the player leaves too many photons on the field... nvm that wouldn't work well with a strategy other than otyugh fodder.

[OldTrees]

You have way overnerfed this card by adding the 7-N/8-N attack feature.  If the opposing player has any shield up, you effectively get less and less attack every turn with no benefit to yourself.

E.g., Opponent plays Shield buckler
Turn 1: Apollo     =    attack: (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked by shield buckler = 6 damage
Turn 2: Apollo   =    attack (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 6 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 1 photon previous turn) - 1 blocked = 5 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 2 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 4 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage

This card becomes less and less valuable each turn....

This card is sure to be played with Hope
Turn 1: Apollo     =    attack: (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked by shield buckler = 6 damage
Hope = 0
Turn 2: Apollo   =    attack (7 - 0 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 6 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Hope = 1
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 1 photon previous turn) - 1 blocked = 5 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Hope = 2
Turn 3: Apollo = attack (7 - 2 photons previous turn) - 1 blocked = 4 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
              photon =     attack 1 - 1 blocked = 0 damage
Hope =3

Damage + Shield is constant
Damage + Shield + Quanta is rising

Eventually you would want to use some creature control on Apollo but in the short term the swarm is more beneficial IMHO

[b00mc1ap]

@OldTrees

So you would like for me to revert it back to Helios producing RoLs instead of Photons? Seeing as they do so little damage, I have to agree with you.

I'll probably change it.

Anybody think differently about it?

[Oooh Muffin]

I like it the way it is!

A question:
Will the damage pass below 0?

[b00mc1ap]

I like it the way it is!

A question:
Will the damage pass below 0?

I've been wondering if it should as well. I think it'd be good not to let it fall under 0 because then it would heal the other guy even if he has a shield, while the positive attacks do lessened/no damage depending on the shield. The photons would not even out the heals.

[Kael Hate]

CURATOR COMMENT

This card isn't ready for the Crucible because there is Disparity between the card image and the Table.