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Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg347652#msg347652
« on: June 07, 2011, 10:52:53 pm »
NAME:
Apogist Channeler
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
7
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|1
TEXT:
5 : The next creature you cast from your hand is free.
NAME:
Elite Apogist Channeler
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
6
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|2
TEXT:
5 : The next creature you cast from your hand is free.
ART:
Salvatore Vuono (http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/images/Music_g77-TIP_TAP_MAN_p11407.html) - used in accordance with freedigitalphotos.net's TOS
IDEA:
Essence
NOTES:
Using the ability creates an icon in the 'Sanctuary/Silence' place on your field; as long as that icon remains, all creatures in your hand have quanta costs of 0.  Both Silence and Sanctuary prevent the ability from having any effect.

1 : 1 Apogee Quanta
Apogee quanta costs are all paid out of whatever quanta pool currently has the most quanta in it.  Any one apogee cost is paid out of a single pool of quanta -- if two or more are tied for fullest, one is selected at random and the entire cost is paid from that pool.  If no pool has enough quanta to pay the apogee cost, the ability cannot be activated/card cannot be cast.
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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348543#msg348543
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 04:08:29 pm »
Really?  Cast any creature for 5 quanta and no one has anything to say?
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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348546#msg348546
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2011, 04:15:23 pm »
OP!!! Better now? :)
As a reusable card it's not good. Limit to one time use? Or more disadvantage (damage taken, etc).

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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348570#msg348570
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 05:10:45 pm »
Really, you think so?  I remember cries of OP!! back when Magic released a permanent that did basically the same thing (5 mana, tap, bring any creature from your hand into play without paying the casting cost).  Then the Championships for that year came and went and no one used it because it was just too risky. 

This dude has to survive (with 1 or 2 HP and a powerful ability like that, that's far from guaranteed), can only be used once per turn, and still requires 5 quanta in a single pool (so no Nova/Supernova abuse).  Do you really think that it's OP when you stop to consider the cost-benefit analysis?
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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348582#msg348582
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2011, 05:53:47 pm »
Cries of OP was just to ensure you that you get some comments :)
Certainly there's a risk to the card given it's low HP and that it'll bypass all DR shields. But once you have this card protected (quint) it'll enable you to play anything! You could have a mono aether based rainbow, where you quint these and then swarm dragons at will, boost to rainbows (even if you can't get enough quanta in one pool you can help it out from another) and not-so-reliable trios and quartets (this would be good IMO, they need some buff).
I like the card, I just think it's (potentially) really strong with no counter against it.

\offtopic\ Suggestion: "Casting costs cannot be altered" This could be counter to this card, FFQ (if anyone wants to counter it, would increase cost) and Mitosis+SoR (again if anyone wants to do it) though would require a greater amount of similar cards to be used effectively.

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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348586#msg348586
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 06:05:24 pm »
I could see some mean synergy with this and fractal. Love the concept :)
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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348606#msg348606
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 06:27:27 pm »
I think that it may have not received many early comments due to the fact that pseudoquanta may need a little more thought to consider the strengths, weakness and synergies that come with using them in card ideas. Thus, people shuffle back to other ideas which use the simple idea of energy generated from pillars and pendula.

And btw, this + Quint + SoR is a bit too scary even for a 3-card combo. Does MtG have cards like SoR and Quint?
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Re: Apogist Channeler | Elite Apogist Channeler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27339.msg348608#msg348608
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2011, 06:34:59 pm »
It has quint.  In fact, it's quint is even meaner than Element's, because MTG doesn't have shields the way Elements does.

SoR, however, I've not really seen in MTG.  Even with it, though, a 3-card combo that allows you to get 1 creature out every turn for free IF you have one in your hand and IF it doesn't die to a proper shield and that costs a total of 3:aether and 10 other...still doesn't threaten me all that much.  I regularly play a deck that kills people in 4 or 5 turns, and this can't really touch that with any level of consistency. 
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