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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449483#msg449483
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 06:04:42 am »
They're going by the Inheritance series, a series of fiction.

This + Miracle = OP
This + SoSac = Super OP (though I'm not sure which card to blame for that)

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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449487#msg449487
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 06:10:14 am »
They're going by the Inheritance series, a series of fiction.

This + Miracle = OP
This + SoSac = Super OP (though I'm not sure which card to blame for that)
Ah, Paolini's books. I really like the series, but  Paolini's research isnt the best (In book 3 the process of forging Brisingr should have formed a katana, not a bastard sword. many of the words he chooses are slightly off in meaning as well). So if you want Inheritence ancient language youre fine, if you want Norse ancient language, letter change.
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449507#msg449507
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 10:04:01 am »
It was inspired by Eragon, so yes, I want the one from the Inheritance cycle.

They're going by the Inheritance series, a series of fiction.

This + Miracle = OP
This + SoSac = Super OP (though I'm not sure which card to blame for that)
Could you explain how you think they're OP?

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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449509#msg449509
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 10:06:59 am »
However, making a card that references a series of novels vs. making a card that references mythology
is like making a card called Lightsaber vs. making a card called Excalibur.

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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449511#msg449511
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 10:15:52 am »
So pretty much, that whole first page was made to change one letter in the art. Sure. One letter.

Patch, you're right, but it's one letter, and I only did it that way because I thought of the card while reading Eragon.

But sure, I'll change it to a u if it really matters that much.
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449560#msg449560
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 03:29:28 pm »
I liked it till I saw the notes, because there, the effects off the card turn weird
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449572#msg449572
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 04:19:57 pm »


I would have to say, though, wouldn't it be more space-saving to just say 3 | 2: Precognition? Then you could fit on the card some other balancing stuff that might get lost on people who skim the notes section.
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449602#msg449602
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 06:14:33 pm »
Miracle is guaranteed to restore your HP to nearly full, and can now be splashed in decks even without access to large amounts of :light quanta. In other words, it acts essentially as Shard of Sacrifice, only better:

-You only need 16/13 HP instead of 49/41 HP to play it.
-Only drains :light instead of everything but :death.
-Doesn't wreck mulligan.
-Nearly impossible to work around; managing damage output can help alleviate SoSac somewhat.

Of course, there are downsides:
-Two-card combo (Ancient Language+Miracle) vs. one card (Shard of Sacrifice).
-Costs 6/5 other quanta to play.
-Does not give 2 turns invulnerability.

On the SoSac end, playing spells now increases your HP. So you could use multiple Fractal, say, in a turn without access to large :aether production and with no drawback.

Thematically speaking, using the ancient language doesn't force the person you speak to to tell the truth; it forces you to speak the truth. So shouldn't you have to reveal your hand?

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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg449613#msg449613
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 06:45:05 pm »
Miracle is guaranteed to restore your HP to nearly full, and can now be splashed in decks even without access to large amounts of :light quanta. In other words, it acts essentially as Shard of Sacrifice, only better:

-You only need 16/13 HP instead of 49/41 HP to play it.
-Only drains :light instead of everything but :death.
-Doesn't wreck mulligan.
-Nearly impossible to work around; managing damage output can help alleviate SoSac somewhat.

Of course, there are downsides:
-Two-card combo (Ancient Language+Miracle) vs. one card (Shard of Sacrifice).
-Costs 6/5 other quanta to play.
-Does not give 2 turns invulnerability.

On the SoSac end, playing spells now increases your HP. So you could use multiple Fractal, say, in a turn without access to large :aether production and with no drawback.
Hmm, yes, these cards would be OP. Though they could both be used by the opponent too, and it could be destroyed before any of that could happen (unlikely because of one-turn combos), this needs to be fixed.
I can see some solutions:
-only let it affect alchemy spells
-drain HP instead of quanta (auto-loss for miracle, could be dangerous with SoSa)
-drain a certain amount of HP for those spells

Any other ideas?

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Thematically speaking, using the ancient language doesn't force the person you speak to to tell the truth; it forces you to speak the truth. So shouldn't you have to reveal your hand?
That is true, but the card's main effect affects both players, which means the opponent is speaking the language too. Also, you can tell a half-truth. And who would want a card that reveals your hand? I guess it could reveal half of your hand along with your opponent's, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. What does everyone else think about this?

I would have to say, though, wouldn't it be more space-saving to just say 3 | 2: Precognition? Then you could fit on the card some other balancing stuff that might get lost on people who skim the notes section.
I don't see how that would help much if the ability is still on a separate line, and if it wasn't, the text would be too cramped IMO. Besides, drawing a card has nothing to do with the Ancient Language (or does it?).

I liked it till I saw the notes, because there, the effects off the card turn weird
So you're saying that spells should just cost their cost? That could work, but this might prevent use of over-used spells by the opponent.


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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg450061#msg450061
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2012, 01:34:30 am »
Card drawing, yeah...Forgot about that part. Still not bad though.
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg450075#msg450075
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2012, 03:01:22 am »
Card drawing, yeah...Forgot about that part. Still not bad though.
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Re: Ancient Language | Ancient Language https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35717.msg450103#msg450103
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2012, 05:10:38 am »
Are you sure that using a concept that you freely admit is from a still-copyrighted book series is a good idea?

That said Cast from Hit Points (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CastFromHitPoints) is an interesting idea to incorporate in Elements - just maybe make the art less cheesy.
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