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Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg392968#msg392968
« on: September 13, 2011, 02:52:51 pm »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
6 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature or player gains half of current hit points added to full hit points.
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
5 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature or player gains half of current hit points added to full hit points.
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a n|1 becomes n|2 other than that round down.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg392969#msg392969
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 02:59:17 pm »
A bit OP when used on players.

Compare it to Stone Skin. You can immediately add 50 HP without even amassing (:D) :earth quanta.

Totally UP otherwise.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg392973#msg392973
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 03:15:47 pm »
OP on players but UP on creatures? What would you suggest?
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393122#msg393122
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 10:54:35 pm »
I don't think It's UP for creatures. It's got great synergy with Gravity pull, BB, catapult, Oty, etc.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393143#msg393143
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 11:54:02 pm »
should this consume remaining  :gravity?
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393224#msg393224
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 04:54:06 am »
Only full?

Or current AND full?

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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393311#msg393311
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 01:49:56 pm »
I am not sure what is being asked.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393316#msg393316
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 02:00:00 pm »
I am not sure what is being asked.
The card says the full HP increases.
Does the current HP increase as well?

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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393319#msg393319
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 02:04:42 pm »
My thought is it most likely should not, because then it would too much like Stone Skin.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393663#msg393663
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2011, 03:17:51 pm »
This would need to increase Current Hp as well. If it did not it would require a forced combo with Angel and that is too restrictive of a design.

Consuming all X quanta is an overestimated and overused cost type in the CIA board. It is roughly equivalent to +1-2quanta. Not anything spectacular. It is not a first resort.

Basilisk Blood and Stone Skin are examples of each category. Both cost 2 :earth|1 :earth and have side effects (Delay 6/Stock X  :earth)
Basilisk Blood adds +20 creature hp compared to +15/+22/+33/+50 Amass would give Elite Armagio.
Stone Skin gives up to +75 hp each (reusing the same stock  :earth) compared to +50/+75/+112/+163 from Amass.

I am not as good with estimating the balance of spells as I am with Creatures. That said the higher cost of Amass seems to balance the increasing effect compared to BB or SS. +/-2quanta.
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393856#msg393856
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 12:44:04 am »
should the cost be changed?
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Re: Amass | Amass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30921.msg393861#msg393861
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 12:56:11 am »
The main problem arises from the disparity between the effects on creatures and on players, I think.  Most creatures will only gain a little HP from this, likely the same as or less than Plate Armor... and it's very uncommon to get more mileage than out of Heavy Armor.  On the other hand, players can heal for 50HP, which is a half-Miracle, without "charging up" as GG points out.

The difference between this and other effects is that it is multiplicative.  Plate Armor, Holy Light, Guardian Angel... all have fixed values, even Stone Skin has no multiplier among its maths.  There is a huge difference in HP between players and most creatures, and that translates to a huge x huge = GARGANTUAN difference in the multiplied effects.

tl;dr - Holy Light will heal a Golden Dragon for 10 or a player for 10.  This card will heal a Golden Dragon for 5 or a player for 50.

 

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