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Re: Altar | Altar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36726.msg460995#msg460995
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 06:00:15 pm »
Quote from: moomoose on February 16, 2012, 05:54:32 pm
"and generate its death effect." is indeed a repeatable death trigger mechanic, the refresh mechanic is really secondary.
I define core by what the author will never be willing to remove. It is sometimes, mistakenly, not the primary effect.
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Re: Altar | Altar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36726.msg460997#msg460997
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 06:01:40 pm »
considering it was there at the start, and the second version, and the intent of the card after making a reference to the cat in the notes, i would say its core.  not to mention if the death effects portion is removed, it is no longer tied to death in any way shape or form.
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Re: Altar | Altar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36726.msg460998#msg460998
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 06:03:12 pm »
Quote from: moomoose on February 16, 2012, 06:01:40 pm
considering it was there at the start, and the second version, and the intent of the card after making a reference to the cat in the notes, i would say its core.  not to mention if the death effects portion is removed, it is no longer tied to death in any way shape or form.
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Delays for 1 turn, non-cumulative.
If there are other questions on the mechanic, just ask in the topic.
Not sure if this has been done before.
Quote from: patchx94 on February 16, 2012, 03:17:51 pm
Yes, but the death generation isn't the key aspect of this card. The key aspect is that its effect (can potentially) differ depending on the creature targeted.
I do not see what you see.

I agree that the recovery probably does not fit Death.
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Re: Altar | Altar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36726.msg461007#msg461007
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 06:57:32 pm »
he has removed the cat comparison from the notes, where he tried to justify it not being 'OP' relative to the cat because it 'requires an additional creature', but the wording of the effect has not changed from the earlier version, leading me to believe it is still supposed to trigger death effects.
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Re: Altar | Altar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36726.msg461031#msg461031
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 09:08:22 pm »
Quote from: moomoose on February 16, 2012, 06:57:32 pm
he has removed the cat comparison from the notes, where he tried to justify it not being 'OP' relative to the cat because it 'requires an additional creature', but the wording of the effect has not changed from the earlier version, leading me to believe it is still supposed to trigger death effects.
Good point.


Both repeated death effects and recovery have been done before. It might be wise to use a different take on Altar.
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