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Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136641#msg1136641
« on: May 17, 2014, 11:39:19 am »
NAME:
Alchemist
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
4 :fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|6
TEXT:
Spells you cast that target creatures cost 2 less to cast and chances happen more often.
NAME:
Witch of Spite
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
4 :fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|6
TEXT:
Spells you cast that target players cost 2 less to cast, deal +5 damage, and chances happen more often.

ART:
A Small Child
IDEA:
Frozengaia (Please, for the love of Shiva, Please do not be original.)
NOTES:
The effect stacks for both cards. "Chances happen more often" is a 25% chance of anything that has a chance of happening happening, such as freeze. Cards have to deal damage in the first place to get a buff of damage from the upgraded version.

This card probably belongs in darkness, but to make the card mechanically powerful, I've put it in the spell-damage element, fire.

This card could add an entirely new dynamic to elements.
It makes CC even more stupid, it makes spells more stupid.
And nothing's more fun than just burning everything to oblivion.
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« Last Edit: May 20, 2014, 08:32:54 am by Frozengaia »

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136646#msg1136646
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014, 02:10:55 pm »
Unupped is a lot better than upped. Free lightnings for all.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136647#msg1136647
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 02:26:39 pm »
im now seeing the newbies in chat...
"HOW MY OPPO HAZ GOT FREE LIGHTINGZ? I WANT DEM 2!" :silly:
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You. And sand. Endless sand. Endless trillions tons of sand.
This endless power. which can kill you like insignificant bug.
This, is a power of :time...

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136650#msg1136650
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014, 03:38:52 pm »
Actually, I would say upped is better than unupped.

Because CC doesn't need that much of a buff- it can kill just about everything.

Because these things stack, you're getting +10 for just 6 :fire on all your spells hurled at the enemy, which with fire lance can already deal up to about 10 in the first place.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136668#msg1136668
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2014, 05:06:49 pm »
This is an interesting idea. I'm curious how it will work with the game mechanics. Let's say I have an upped alchemist out and I'm playing Lightning. The quanta is deducted when I click the card, not when I select the target. Would this mean that I click lightning, then when I click the enemy player, 10 damage would be dealt and 1 aether quanta will be refunded? If so, I still need 2 quanta in order to be able to select Lightning in the first place, so the quanta conservation effect of the Alchemist would not be as good as it looks. The +5 damage is still nice though.

Another scenario. I have two upped Alchemists on the field. I play Drain Life on the opponent when I have 34 darkness quanta. The life drain hits four times. Does the spell drain (2+5+5)*4 or 2*4 +5+5?

What about Rage? With one unupped Alchemist out, a Rage potion would give +5|-7?

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136671#msg1136671
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014, 05:14:43 pm »
Actually, I would say upped is better than unupped.

Because CC doesn't need that much of a buff- it can kill just about everything.

Because these things stack, you're getting +10 for just 6 :fire on all your spells hurled at the enemy, which with fire lance can already deal up to about 10 in the first place.
It doesn't need a buff, but the cost reduction really means that unupped is better. You can't really judge your own cards, you can only defend them.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136674#msg1136674
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014, 05:46:01 pm »
If rage deals damage for its -5 effect, then it would be +5|-7.
Acceleration would be +2|-2 for the same reason.
IF it deals damage.
Which I have been reliably told it does.

There are two ways we can go about cost reduction:
1) Any spell that CAN deal direct damage to creatures/players will get a reduction.
2) Refunding it... I prefer the first one. And the refund would be before the damage is dealt.

...Would each hit of fire bolt be buffed?
...I want to say yes.
Spell based damage from spells needs as much of a buff as I can give it.

And sky, the cost reduction only really would be good for rain of fire. The damage buff is where the card really is, because CC (that is affected by this) and even player-damaging spells (that are affected by this) aren't expensive in general, minus rain. And six upped = +10 damage at least, +20 per spell at best = fire lance spam getting +20 per attack (I hope, maybe it might just be 20 on top of everything, depends how the card would work out.) = gg.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136678#msg1136678
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014, 06:22:48 pm »
Or we could just have free lightning storms that deal 4 damage to each creature. That wouldn't be OP at all...

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136679#msg1136679
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014, 06:32:03 pm »
"The cost of cards cannot go under 1 of any given element."
I said that in the OP before anyone posted.
Why is everyone ignoring that bit?
Is adding fire worth +2 damage for your thunderstorms? Or +4, 6, 8, 10, 12?
You're going to need to show me a deck that can use alchemists and thunderstorms and some kind of win con, that wouldn't be improved by just being mono air.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136741#msg1136741
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 12:23:26 am »
"The cost of cards cannot go under 1 of any given element."
I said that in the OP before anyone posted.
Why is everyone ignoring that bit?
Is adding fire worth +2 damage for your thunderstorms? Or +4, 6, 8, 10, 12?
You're going to need to show me a deck that can use alchemists and thunderstorms and some kind of win con, that wouldn't be improved by just being mono air.
Because a great way to balance the card would be to allow it to go under 1. Then it would be useful.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136946#msg1136946
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 06:05:07 pm »
I can't disern if that's scarcasm or not.

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Re: Alchemist | Witch of Spite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54542.msg1136997#msg1136997
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 12:26:48 am »
It's not.

 

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