Age | Senesce

[Pineapple]

NAME: Age ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: When this turn ends, convert 30% of target player's HP into mark quanta. Affected player draws 2 cards.	NAME: Senesce ELEMENT: Time COST: 5 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: When this turn ends, convert 45% of target player's HP into mark quanta. Affected player draws 3 cards.

ART: IDEA: NOTES: Trying to get a feel of where the community draws the line between unbalanced and balance-able. Also, I have a penchant for powerful cards that speed up boring games. SERIES:

[timetock]

so you use it on creatures? synergies with armagio, flying titan? CAN YOU USE IT ON PLAYERS?
I'm assuming you can't.

[Pineapple]

so you use it on creatures? synergies with armagio, flying titan? CAN YOU USE IT ON PLAYERS?
I'm assuming you can't.

Sorry it's supposed to target only players (as shown in the upgraded text). EDIT: unupped card text fixed.

It'd be a bit too powerful a draw engine if it could target creatures. ._.

[timetock]

so you could turn a 200 HP arena deck all the way to 110 HP in one turn? I don't know...

I'm assuming it's current HP and not max HP.

[Keolino]

(upped) You have 100 HP, play this twice. 55 HP --> 30 HP. You just generated 70 mark quanta. If your mark was earth, and you can play some stoneskins now, well well. With one, you are back at 100 HP. with a second, you will have about 170 HP, at least. Above all that you drawed a ton of cards, and would be able to play any stone dragon or shrieker in your hand this instant.

[Joseph7]

I think that this card should only be able to target its owner, the same way that 'heal' does. Otherwise, it's way too powerful a hit for the opponent to take.

[CuCN]

(upped) You have 100 HP, play this twice. 55 HP --> 30 HP. You just generated 70 mark quanta. If your mark was earth, and you can play some stoneskins now, well well. With one, you are back at 100 HP. with a second, you will have about 170 HP, at least. Above all that you drawed a ton of cards, and would be able to play any stone dragon or shrieker in your hand this instant.

That leaves your opponent with a turn to take out your 30 HP, because it doesn't take effect until the end of your turn.

[dragtom]

a few questions:
-I assume that 'mark quanta' is the affected's player's mark?
-what  happens if multiple are cast in 1 turn? will this cause up to 0.02768 of the hp left? (0.55^6)
-how is hp rounded?
-when exactly is the end of this turn? before poison, after poison, between creatures and permanents, once the mark generates quanta, or after all the permanents have been triggered?

one suggestion I have:
-once this turn ends, target player draws up to 2 cards. Affected player loses (15*cards drawn)% of his current hp.

this prevents using too many in 1 turn.

[Pineapple]

Current HP, not maximum HP.

It could have a special interaction in Arena and FGs for only doing up to 50 damage. This clause could also be placed in the card text, if the community deems it necessary, for use outside of Arena.

I agree that chaining should be prevented. I'm not sure about having damage scale to cards drawn, as that's a bit similar to Nightmare. Instead, I offer this alternative: instead of "When this turn ends...", the clause "... Immediately end the turn." will be added.

(upped) You have 100 HP, play this twice. 55 HP --> 30 HP. You just generated 70 mark quanta. If your mark was earth, and you can play some stoneskins now, well well. With one, you are back at 100 HP. with a second, you will have about 170 HP, at least. Above all that you drawed a ton of cards, and would be able to play any stone dragon or shrieker in your hand this instant.

Let's see if preventing chaining fixes this problem.
Assume an enemy can get a 5 ATK creature out every turn, including the first. Assume the earliest you can use this card is during your second turn.

Turn 1: Enemy deals +5 damage. (You: 95 HP)
Turn 1: You do nothing.
Turn 2: Enemy deals +10 damage. (You: 85 HP)
Turn 2: You play 1 Senesce. +38 . (You: 47 HP)
Turn 3: Enemy deals +15 damage. (You: 32 HP)
Turn 3: If you play a Senesce, you'll die next turn.

I think the chaining fix solves the problem presented.

[iskelion]

OP

[CuCN]

Once you get the quanta, your turn is over and you cannot play those ghosts.

[Fippe94]

But hey, some people are saying this is OP when used on yourself, other are saying too OP when used on oppponent. THis can only mean it is balanced, right?