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Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236627#msg236627
« on: December 30, 2010, 11:35:17 pm »
NAME:
Crown of Control
ELEMENT:
:darkness
COST:
6 :darkness
TYPE:
permanent
ATK|HP:
***Insert att|hp***
TEXT:
:entropy :all enemy creatures that have less than 6 attack, comes to your side for 3 turns
NAME:
Crown of Enslavery
ELEMENT:
:darkness
COST:
7 :darkness
TYPE:
permanent
ATK|HP:
***Insert att|hp (upgraded)***
TEXT:
:entropy :all enemy creatures that have less than 7 attack, comes to your side for 3 turns
ART:
only doing art if people accept the idea
IDEA:
Flayne
NOTES:
the 1  :entropy is used for activating the card´s ability.
basically another CC card for  :darkness but a synergy with :entropy
SERIES:
***Insert series name and link to series page (if any)***

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236651#msg236651
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 12:29:26 am »
:darkness / :gravity duo with an Entropy mark. This + Gravity Shield = WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OP.
Perception is the source of misunderstanding.

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236657#msg236657
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 12:38:15 am »
:darkness / :gravity duo with an Entropy mark. This + Gravity Shield = WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OP.
i dont understand, explain, because honestly all i see in your reply are more than 90 A s in what appears to be the word WAY.
perhaps instead of filling the screen with A s, maybe you could make a suggestion

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236660#msg236660
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 12:40:18 am »
Gravity Shield. All creatures with HP > 5 are blocked.
Crown of Control. All creatures with HP < 5 are taken control of.

Congratulations, you've completely locked down the board for the opponent, unless they have creatures with just 5 HP.
Perception is the source of misunderstanding.

Why, yes. I do have a Mindgate necklace. It's how I ninja everyone.

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236663#msg236663
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 12:42:54 am »
Gravity Shield. All creatures with HP > 5 are blocked.
Crown of Control. All creatures with HP < 5 are taken control of.

Congratulations, you've completely locked down the board for the opponent, unless they have creatures with just 5 HP.
fair enough, but u act as though there isnt a solution to such a situation, such as defag. or steal,
what do you suggest should be done? should i make it, in turns? (actually i will)

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236664#msg236664
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 12:45:11 am »
Besides, do you have any idea how many "brainwash" cards have been tried? By "brainwash" I mean taking control of an opponent's creature for a number of turns. I can guarantee you haven't even gotten any near balancing this card. Should I play this on a Ruby Dragon? I think I might.

This is how "Brainwashing" essentially works. I Parallel Universe the creature, and kill the original. That means, you need a cost that fits into that pattern.
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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236665#msg236665
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 12:45:19 am »
Gravity Shield. All creatures with HP > 5 are blocked.
Crown of Control. All creatures with HP < 5 are taken control of.

Congratulations, you've completely locked down the board for the opponent, unless they have creatures with just 5 HP.
fair enough, but u act as though there isnt a solution to such a situation, such as defag. or steal,
what do you suggest should be done? should i make it, in turns? (actually i will)
changed it, after considering your point

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236674#msg236674
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 12:51:45 am »
Besides, do you have any idea how many "brainwash" cards have been tried? By "brainwash" I mean taking control of an opponent's creature for a number of turns. I can guarantee you haven't even gotten any near balancing this card. Should I play this on a Ruby Dragon? I think I might.

This is how "Brainwashing" essentially works. I Parallel Universe the creature, and kill the original. That means, you need a cost that fits into that pattern.
i know many have been tried, but i thought of something in relation to a synergy between darkness and entropy, not many people intend to know straight away that their card idea is unbalanced before someone else explains to them that it isnt, but i believe all your doing is blatantly reminding me that the card is  unbalanced, instead of explaining why it isn´t or suggesting something else, what your being now is very irrational on your commenting especially by filling the screen with A s, perhaps im being a bit too serious on the matter but this is what i see anyway

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236688#msg236688
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2010, 01:16:39 am »
My first post was to make light of the situation. My second post explained how a simple duo renders the opponent almost totally powerless. My third post explains the pattern required to even consider taking control of an opponent's creature. And this post is to say how to make it better, in consideration of your previous post.

It's a permanent whose function is only to control creatures with HP less than 5.  To make this balanced, I recommend changing it to creatures with an Attack less than 5, so things like dragons remain unaffected, while things that have low attack can be controlled. This would be the first step.

The next step is that the average number of creatures an opponent will have is about 7-8. Let's assume that around 2-3 of every creature summoned will be an attack-type. That means somewhere between 2/7 and 3/7 of opponent's creatures can be controlled for a limited number of turns.
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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236693#msg236693
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2010, 01:20:48 am »
My first post was to make light of the situation. My second post explained how a simple duo renders the opponent almost totally powerless. My third post explains the pattern required to even consider taking control of an opponent's creature. And this post is to say how to make it better, in consideration of your previous post.

It's a permanent whose function is only to control creatures with HP less than 5.  To make this balanced, I recommend changing it to creatures with an Attack less than 5, so things like dragons remain unaffected, while things that have low attack can be controlled. This would be the first step.

The next step is that the average number of creatures an opponent will have is about 7-8. Let's assume that around 2-3 of every creature summoned will be an attack-type. That means somewhere between 2/7 and 3/7 of opponent's creatures can be controlled for a limited number of turns.
perhaps i was being a little too serious, i guess filling the screen with A s made me a little crazy but oh well  :-X
i see your point, ive changed it to less than 3 hp, but for upgraded is less than 4 hp and higher cost

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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236699#msg236699
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2010, 01:32:21 am »
You didn't get my point. This means, anything with high attack, low health is fair game. My suggestion was to make it so they take control of low Attack creatures. That's a better alternative, I just need others to agree with me.
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Re: Crown of Control| Crown of Enslavery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18585.msg236705#msg236705
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2010, 01:39:55 am »
You didn't get my point. This means, anything with high attack, low health is fair game. My suggestion was to make it so they take control of low Attack creatures. That's a better alternative, I just need others to agree with me.
oh i see, so instead of basing it on Health, you mean to base it on attack? i see, great idea!  :)
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