Make Discord Mutate.

[Bloodshadow]

Chaos Seed is SUPPOSED to be always negative. Zanz specifically said that in his update log a while ago. Otherwise, nobody would bother using that card because it could buff up your enemy.

CS on a weapon is not overpowered at all, as Forfeit said.

[jmizzle7]

Chaos Seed is SUPPOSED to be always negative. Zanz specifically said that in his update log a while ago. Otherwise, nobody would bother using that card because it could buff up your enemy.

You are operating on the assumption that I don't know that. I know that CS is always negative. That is why I said in my previous post that it is always negative. I was around before CS was changed from being totally random (positive and negative) to having purely negative effects, and I remember when zanzarino made mention of this change. What I said before was that while the effect is always negative, it almost always is one of the more nasty ones because of the broken random number generator. Either way, if this were to be implemented onto Discord, we would have to see for ourselves whether or not CS on a permanent is overpowered, but I'm going on the record and saying it would be.

CS on a weapon is not overpowered at all, as Forfeit said.

This is just a claim with no evidence. Give me evidence.

[Bloodshadow]

Well, since we're talking about improvements, then tell Zanz to fix the RNG. Use the good RNG (I remember Chriskang saying that there are 2 RNGs in game, a good one and a bad one) for everything. That way, Chaos Seed wouldn't be so overpowered.

If CS is that OP, then why are there so few people using it?

[plastiqe]

It depends on the ability cost, I think 3 quanta of another element would be balanced... but it wouldn't make sense because CS should cost pink quanta cause it's an entropy ability.

[Forfeit]

It depends on the ability cost, I think 3 quanta of another element would be balanced... but it wouldn't make sense because CS should cost pink quanta cause it's an entropy ability.

I agree, however I could see it costing darkness.

[Bloodshadow]

I think Discord should give Chaos Seed for 3 Entropy. It's not all that powerful, because of the unreliability of the effects. With the CS ability, Discord would become an all-rounded weapon that has a chance to do many powerful things. Right now the other weapons are really underused, but if Discord gets this ability, then it would become much more useful.

[Forfeit]

I do think discord should get this, or some other upgrade. Three sounds about right.

[jmizzle7]

If CS is that OP, then why are there so few people using it?

I didn't say that CS is overpowered, but rather would be on a permanent (more on this after the following). Here's why the card itself is either not overpowered, or why nobody uses it:

1.) Because mono-Entropy is not a great decktype. While Chaos Seed is almost always good, packing six of these as the only reliable source of creature control in a deck is not great. Add to that the fact that there is no permanent control or protection of any sort, and you are left with a very random, very vulnerable deck.

2.) In order to warrant the use of Chaos Seed, any deck other than mono-Entropy needs to have a glaring need for creature control that can be filled most effectively by CS. Every other form of creature control has a specific strategic use, and works as intended 100% of the time. As a deck builder, I prefer consistency over randomness, so splashing for Rewind or Gravity Force makes more sense than splashing for Chaos Seed.

Now, as for CS on a permanent... I, for one, believe that the number one thing that needs to happen before any of this even takes shape is for CS to lose the Parallel Universe effect. Every other effect caused by CS corresponds to an inexpensive creature control spell. Parallel Universe is neither creature control nor inexpensive, as the cheapest it ever will cost is six aether. The ability to copy your opponent's largest threat (which you should target anyway) should never cost one quantum, nor should it be a reusable spell on a permanent. This is my only objection to Chaos Seed's effects.

Putting Chaos Seed's effect on Discord implies that Discord itself is not useful and therefore should change to something more useful. I completely disagree with this. If you have ever seen what Discord can do on its own to a mono or dual element deck, you would know that Discord itself is very good. The reason nobody runs Discord is twofold: the effect of Discord is less effective against rainbow decks, of which there are many, and the supporting cast to Discord is severely lacking. I mean, really... have you seen Micro Abomination?

Another reason people don't run Discord is that outside of mono-Entropy, you have the option to play other weapons. While Discord could potentially wreck many strategies if you play it earlier, most decks are far more vulnerable to Eternity and Pulverizer. This doesn't mean that Discord itself is lacking, but rather the metagame doesn't call for it.

[Bloodshadow]

The ability to copy your opponent's largest threat (which you should target anyway) should never cost one quantum

I said CS on Discord would cost 3 Entropy. Seems like a pretty good cost.

But yeah, I agree that PU should be taken out of the effects.

I think I now understand why someone suggested Scramble should be on Dark. It's a denial ability and doesn't really fit Entropy.

[jmizzle7]

The ability to copy your opponent's largest threat (which you should target anyway) should never cost one quantum

I said CS on Discord would cost 3 Entropy. Seems like a pretty good cost.

But yeah, I agree that PU should be taken out of the effects.

I think I now understand why someone suggested Scramble should be on Dark. It's a denial ability and doesn't really fit Entropy.

Dang man, read my stuff before you comment on it. You ripped that right out of context. I was referring directly to Chaos Seed the card with regard to the cost. If you read the rest of that sentence, it states that the Parallel Universe effect should never even be possible on a permanent. It doesn't mention cost.

Scramble is most definitely an Entropy ability. Entropy is best summed up below...

[Forfeit]

Even I didn't get that you wer refering to the card chaos seed, I just though you meant the ability applied to this weapon, as you didn't directly say anything but that, so just... no need for the big picture. But agreed with the PU thing.