A penny saved | A penny earned

[LittleFighterFox]

NAME: A penny saved ELEMENT: Other COST: 1 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Gain 1 quantum equal to targets element and add 'A penny saved' from the deck to your hand. Only one 'A penny saved' can be used once a turn.	NAME: A penny earned ELEMENT: Other COST: 1 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Gain 2 quantum equal to targets element and add 'A penny earned' from the deck to your hand. Only one 'A penny earned' can be used once a turn.

ART: Art from Elements the Game IDEA: LittleFighterFox NOTES: The effect is slightly longer then what is allowed so I trimmed: "Only one 'A penny saved' can be used once a turn." into: "Use once a turn" A nifty card indeed. The purpose of this card is not for quantum. they are: 1)Mindgate. This can target your opponent's pillars or creatures. 2)Deck thinning. If you want to skin your deck this the card. 3)Arena. Help's the oracle's card to be used more in Arena decks by providing another way of getting the cards used and making a 36-card limit feel more like 30. A penny spar'd is twice got. The earliest time recorded of this saying is slightly different then today. This is why the upped version 'doubles' the quantum gain.

[Naesala]

Interesting to say the least.

EDIT: A possible nerf to balance it would be to make it an element, though Im not sure what element fits the thematic. Gravity? Meh, maybe thats just wishful thinking on my part XD

[furballdn]

This feels a bit OP. It's a bit like a precognition for any element, and sticking 6 of these in a 30 card rush deck makes it feel like a 24 card deck. Additionally, the upped form even gives you a net gain of one quanta as well as helping to thin out your deck.

[Anarook]

I don't really find it OP, its 1 quanta...
It can only be used once a turn...
Because of its effect it gets used quickly.
the unup version has a net gain of 0 and upgraded a net of 6 hardly a gamebreaker.

In fact I think it's underpowered. Personally I think it should generate a new copy of the card in your hand. Keep in mind this is only useable once a turn. So a net gain of 1 quanta per turn. Hardly OP. Mind you thinking about it, if you took my idea you'd end up with extraneous copies...

Perhaps- when played it adds an additional copy to your deck. This would allow for more use while maintaining the theme, and avoid the "precog" and "deck thinning" issues.

It's not really a precog either-the card drawn is predefined, you don't get to see the other hand.

[Naesala]

I don't really find it OP, its 1 quanta...
It can only be used once a turn...
Because of its effect it gets used quickly.
the unup version has a net gain of 0 and upgraded a net of 6 hardly a gamebreaker.

In fact I think it's underpowered. Personally I think it should generate a new copy of the card in your hand. Keep in mind this is only useable once a turn. So a net gain of 1 quanta per turn. Hardly OP. Mind you thinking about it, if you took my idea you'd end up with extraneous copies...

Perhaps- when played it adds an additional copy to your deck. This would allow for more use while maintaining the theme, and avoid the "precog" and "deck thinning" issues.

It's not really a precog either-the card drawn is predefined, you don't get to see the other hand.

The point of this card (I believe) isnt for the quanta gains at all, its for deck thinning. if we change the focus to quanta gain and drop the deck thinning its severely UP. But thats not the point of the card.

[Anarook]

I don't see that as the point, I know he described it that way, but if anything, i see this as a huge help for duos and trios. Or perhaps a deck that needs a few quanta here and there to be effective.

You need to look at the card not just from teh creators eyes and intentions, but from the perspective of the player. How would they use this card in a game. Sure it can think out the deck, but by the same token it puts you closer to deckout.
If anything this seems more of a quanta conversion tool.

[LittleFighterFox]

Primarily, I wanted to make it for deck thinning and along the way I put the other effect in.

I did take into account rushing with precognition and this but I have enough trouble limiting it to 30 cards, much less 24.
With the limit to one a turn plus defense 24 cards might make you deck out too fast.

I could make it gain 1 random quantum, but that would make it too UP.
I can also make it an element, but then it seems to similar to precognition.
As for quanta conversion; currently it target's creature's permanents and player's (for their mark). Maybe that's slightly too much, what do you guys think?

This card is more for splashing then anything.

[Anarook]

I think it's fine. Others seem to disagree...
I still think it should add a copy to the deck.

[LittleFighterFox]

By adding another copy, it would a quanta conversion.
Looking at the forums, I found Quantum Harmonizer (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21493.0.html) and Implode (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7033.0.html), both which fare much better at this.

But I have not seen a card for deck thinning itself. (Time draws cards, but this card only 'draws' itself therefore not adding anything of good value.)

[furballdn]

By adding another copy, it would a quanta conversion.
Looking at the forums, I found Quantum Harmonizer (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21493.0.html) and Implode (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7033.0.html), both which fare much better at this.

But I have not seen a card for deck thinning itself. (Time draws cards, but this card only 'draws' itself therefore not adding anything of good value.)

Think there was a card called magnet tracer that was used to thin decks.

[LittleFighterFox]

Card Name	Advantages	Diadvantages
Precognition	- Instant card drawn - see opponents hand	- Takes time quanta (Not too much, but it might hurt some duos or trios) - one of the worst alchemy spell - slightly overshadowed by golden nymph
Magnet Tracer	- Add a specific card - Can be used multiple times	- High-ish cost - Gravity typing - susceptible to PC
A penny saved	- Low cost - Quanta conversion	- Adds same card, instead of another card

As you can see, all cards have slightly different concepts and execution. My card can fit comfortably into here without overshadowing or under-shadowing(?) any, and serves different results then these.

I'm asking if there is any OP or UP problem with this card, or if there are any non-effect problems to this card. (Like a better art)