A few concepts

[smallfishnova]

Actually, I see it that way.

I can view it as a creature which is 9/9. 6 mana for 9/9? It is a very powerful creature then. Light dragon needs 10 to cast and is only 10/10.

Is 3 3/3 better or 1 9/9 better? Most of the time, it would be the 9/9 since it dodge a single firestorm or a long time to die after plague. But you won't be happy again freeze and reverse time. I think the horned frog 3/3 statistics which lets most element have a way to stop this card. Surely, a few element is weak against this cast, said darkness and time.

Another point i'm thinking is that the maximum slot for creature in play is 23. If you play 6 copies of this card, you can only play 5 more creature which i think most mono-green deck has more creature cards to use...

Actually, diamond shield completely shut down this card into dust as Life do not have permanent control...XD

Besides, it is good vs bonewall.... (Well, they may feed the bonewall if a firestorm is cast...XD)

So, changed to summon 2 frog or up the mana cost to 8 or 9 would be a good way to nerf it.

[Scaredgirl]

God forbid we get some actual powerful cards introduced to the game...

I have nothing against powerful cards. This card however would be overpowered aka unbalanced. Knowingly introducing an overpowered card would be a very dumb move. Perfect balance should be the goal of every CCG.

Is 3 3/3 better or 1 9/9 better?

This is not the whole question. We are not only talking about 3 x 3/3 and 1 x 9/9. We are talking about two extra card slots.

Would you rather take..
1. 3 Frog cards?
2. Frog's Breeding + 2 Towers?

Both of these produce the same amount of creatures and cost the same (according to the original idea). Only difference is that option 2 has 2 extra towers!

So, changed to summon 2 frog or up the mana cost to 8 or 9 would be a good way to nerf it.

Yep, it needs one of those. I vote for summoning only 2. With 3, the cost should have to be very high to keep the card in balance.

Here's my deck after this card becomes a reality:

Mark of Entropy
10 x Life Tower
6 x Frog's Breeding
6 x Improved Mutation
3 x Supernova
3 x Feral Bond
1 x Life Weapon
1 x Life Shield

Frog's Breeding would also be very good with Fallen Druid.

[jmizzle7]

God forbid we get some actual powerful cards introduced to the game...

I have nothing against powerful cards. This card however would be overpowered aka unbalanced. Knowingly introducing an overpowered card would be a very dumb move. Perfect balance should be the goal of every CCG.

Is 3 3/3 better or 1 9/9 better?

This is not the whole question. We are not only talking about 3 x 3/3 and 1 x 9/9. We are talking about two extra card slots.

Would you rather take..
1. 3 Frog cards?
2. Frog's Breeding + 2 Towers?

Both of these produce the same amount of creatures and cost the same (according to the original idea). Only difference is that option 2 has 2 extra towers!

So, changed to summon 2 frog or up the mana cost to 8 or 9 would be a good way to nerf it.

Yep, it needs one of those. I vote for summoning only 2. With 3, the cost should have to be very high to keep the card in balance.

Here's my deck after this card becomes a reality:

Mark of Entropy
10 x Life Tower
6 x Frog's Breeding
6 x Improved Mutation
3 x Supernova
3 x Feral Bond
1 x Life Weapon
1 x Life Shield

Frog's Breeding would also be very good with Fallen Druid.

I know all the arguments against it, SG. Your defense against my quote was just "it's not just powerful, it's TOOOOOO powerful." That's not an argument, it is a claim. Start making an argument that makes sense.

So it creates three cards for one. So? It would be a huge problem if it cost way too little, or created three gigantic creatures. The fact that it would create critters with 3 hp means that they are still vulnerable to firestorm and oty and everything else that small creatures are vulnerable to. Go ahead and run Improved mutation in a deck with this. Improved mutation itself inherently counters the card advantage produced by Frog's Breeding, because you have to 1.) have a creature to cast it on, and 2.) hope it makes something big or useful. Granted, the usefulness of IM is duly noted, but that deck you just posted is far from overpowered.

I think you need to reevaluate your definition of card strength and what it means for a card to be overpowered. I have already given a clear definition in an earlier post on this same thread of how an overpowered card should be viewed, and it's a basic paraphrase of a developer from Wizards of the Coast. All you have done is whine about how it's overpowered and have yet to give a good, solid reason. This single card will not keep people from playing other decks or require them to stack their deck with protection or hate against Frog's Breeding. All this card would do is open up a new deck type.

[Evil Hamster]

Let's not forget the other WAY overpowered cards like graveyard and firefly queen. Granted graveyard is situational but can create unlimited creatures for free. The queen creates more powerful creatures though a bit slower.

It's exactly because of those cards that most competitive decks have some form of mass creature control- I don't see how 3 frogs would be more powerful in comparison.

[jmizzle7]

Let's not forget the other WAY overpowered cards like graveyard and firefly queen. Granted graveyard is situational but can create unlimited creatures for free. The queen creates more powerful creatures though a bit slower.

It's exactly because of those cards that most competitive decks have some form of mass creature control- I don't see how 3 frogs would be more powerful in comparison.

Haha! I almost said something about yard and queen. Good on ya.

[smallfishnova]

@@ Thank for so many people to discuss my card's ideas.

Actually, i make this Life card since one of my friend complain to me that Life is too weak on its own. (He chooses Life as the first mark)

One of the other reason to create this card is that, i think it is good to see more basic cards are invovled in the game, not just the skeleton...= . =

I think it helps mono-Life or those which uses Life as the major element.

Actually, a new deck type are developed when a new potential 'brokeable' card is appearing.

From the deck SG made, i think it is how rainbow, speed-posion or mono-aether against it.

Rainbow will use sundial to delay for a few rounds. Though you can mutate your frog to hope for destroy, steal or posion or immaterial creature appear. While the 2 other frog will be likely to be devoured by Otyugh or caught by firestorm. It gives a very forceful start to rainbow actually and so they would need taking more creatures or defensive cards in their deck. I think it is a balanced game though. If they have Eternity set-up, well... i think you lose.

For posion, they will likely to freeze the mutated creature if it is a risk for them. But you can always have another non-frozen frog to mutate. Seems to be a favorable match-up. Also the Healing and the number of creatures will destroy the posion deck. Actually, Healing just destroy posion deck.

For mono-aether, OK. Pray to have momentum, destroy or steal mutant (and maybe you need that supernova) and they haven't get their weapon.... or just hope you get the 2nd, 3rd empathic bond into play... a very bad match-up.

I would say most of the deck type dominating here is control and direct-damage deck. It is good to see an aggro deck appearing.
(Well, i originally haven't think so many about this card...@@""")

[jmizzle7]

See? The OP just mentioned three popular decks that could easily get around Frog's Breeding.

[Evil Hamster]

Any "standard" god-killer deck would stomp that one.

[jmizzle7]

yup

[Scaredgirl]

I know all the arguments against it, SG. Your defense against my quote was just "it's not just powerful, it's TOOOOOO powerful." That's not an argument, it is a claim. Start making an argument that makes sense.

Well, I already said my argument in my last post. It's not my fault that you didn't understand it.

All you have done is whine about how it's overpowered and have yet to give a good, solid reason. This single card will not keep people from playing other decks or require them to stack their deck with protection or hate against Frog's Breeding. All this card would do is open up a new deck type.

Ah.. the word "whine". I guess I was wrong about you jmizzle7. I'm done arguing with you.

Let's not forget the other WAY overpowered cards like graveyard and firefly queen. Granted graveyard is situational but can create unlimited creatures for free. The queen creates more powerful creatures though a bit slower.

Firefly Queen does not create 3 creatures instantly. It needs time and quantum to make those Fireflies. There are many ways of shutting down a Firefly Queen. Frog's Breeding cannot be stopped. There will instantly be 3 creatures.

Graveyard itself doesn't produce anything. Something has to die in order for those Skeletons to appear. Graveyard is situational, Frog's Breeding is not. Also Skeletons have a low attack and HP.

Just imagine an upgraded version of Frog's Breeding. With 6-8 quantum it would summon creatures that do instantly a total of 15 damage (and take down 3 bone walls)! Nothing in elements comes even close to that. Now imagine if you stall and play 3 Frog's Breeding's at the same time. That would mean 9 creatures doing 45 damage each turn with a cost of only about 21 quantum. Three cards that would instantly take half of your opponents health? Do I really need to go on?

It's exactly because of those cards that most competitive decks have some form of mass creature control- I don't see how 3 frogs would be more powerful in comparison.

Sure you can kill them with Rain of Fire but does every single deck out there have Rain of Fire (or Plague)? No. And even if you had them, it's not an instant win. And what happens if your opponent cannot deal with those Frogs? That's right... he will lose for certain. Frogs + Feral Bond would be an unbeatable combination because of high damage and high healing.

Otyugh can eat them, but they can only eat one each turn. You could probably summon Frogs faster then your opponent can eat them, and even if he eats them all, by the time he's done those frogs have done tons of damage with a very low quantum cost.

The beauty of Frog's Breeding would be (like I explained earlier) that with 1 card summoning 3 creatures, you would have two "free" card slots which would make Life the best mono-deck ever.

[jmizzle7]

Who said the upgraded version should produce giant frogs? it could just cost 1-2 less quanta, like firestorm.

[Scaredgirl]

Who said the upgraded version should produce giant frogs? it could just cost 1-2 less quanta, like firestorm.

That was your counter-argument to everything I said?

Well.. if it didn't produce Giant Frogs, then it would be the first upgraded card that produces non-upgraded creatures.