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Re: [Series] Underwater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg400313#msg400313
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2011, 09:59:35 pm »
Quote from: oblivion1212 on September 27, 2011, 02:17:30 pm
i think enchanted see|enchanted ocean is too situational (only nymph queen|nymph queen and arctic squid|arctic octopus has  :water skill cost)
maybe go with yumeku's idea?? :)))
You're right, is the same comment of light_sefi talking about High Tide (look that thread), I have to modify that effect :)

Quote from: oblivion1212 on September 27, 2011, 02:17:30 pm
atlantis = enchant artifact-ish in effect? pillars + pends, right? sweet...
Yes, but I'm thinking to change it, look here:
Atlantis | Atlantis (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31232.0.html)

Quote from: oblivion1212 on September 27, 2011, 02:17:30 pm
underwater colossal dragon = infinite amount of win
Lollest Art Ever.  ^-^

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Re: [Series] Underwater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411047#msg411047
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 04:50:50 pm »
Update:

-Fixed first post.
-Added summary table.

Card Added:
-Water Elemental
-Pryntil
-Flatworm
-Ghost Ship
-Stalagmites
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411067#msg411067
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 05:55:06 pm »
General Comments:
1) You have proof of permission to use these images right?
2) Criteria 1: Can be used with or without Flooding and not be UP/OP. Forced combos are not as valuable to the game as voluntary combos.

Water Elemental
Typos: par -> per, lost -> lose (although "lose 1 hp, deal 2 damage to target creature" would be more normal for a card effect)
Comments:
It does not need flooding to be useful. Flooding does not make it OP. [Criteria 1 achieved]
Fairly balanced. Within +/- 1 :water casting cost.

Sea Wave
Reword?: "Gain +0|+1 if underwater."
Comments:
UP without flooding, possibly too powerful with flooding. [Criteria 1 failed]
Very redundant with Spark|Ball Lightning IMO.

Pryntil
Typo?: Charme -> Charm
Reword?: takes -> gains
Comments:
Compare with Warden as you flesh it out.
It has potential to synergize with Flooding in a way similar to Antimatter or Squid does.
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411113#msg411113
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 07:00:51 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 05:55:06 pm
Water Elemental
Typos: par -> per, lost -> lose (although "lose 1 hp, deal 2 damage to target creature" would be more normal for a card effect)
Comments:
It does not need flooding to be useful. Flooding does not make it OP. [Criteria 1 achieved]
Fairly balanced. Within +/- 1 :water casting cost.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32544.0.html
Thanks for suggestion, I'm going to rewrite

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Sea Wave
Reword?: "Gain +0|+1 if underwater."
Comments:
UP without flooding, possibly too powerful with flooding. [Criteria 1 failed]
Very redundant with Spark|Ball Lightning IMO.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31652.0.html

To gain +1/+0 it have to be underwater, is not enough a flooding played, but I now, it can be OP in that situation so I'm looking for suggestion for balancing :)


Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 05:55:06 pm
Pryntil
Typo?: Charme -> Charm
Reword?: takes -> gains
Comments:
Compare with Warden as you flesh it out.
It has potential to synergize with Flooding in a way similar to Antimatter or Squid does.
Charme is french :D
I don't undersanding well your comments sorry :\
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411135#msg411135
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 08:05:14 pm »
I have no solutions for Sea Wave.

Pryntil
Comments:
Warden (an Earth card in EtG) and Squid are both used to neutralize attackers. Pryntil has a similar role although it uses a different method.
This role synergizes well with Flooding because only 5 creatures need to be neutralized.
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411154#msg411154
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 08:35:04 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:05:14 pm
I have no solutions for Sea Wave.

Pryntil
Comments:
Warden (an Earth card in EtG) and Squid are both used to neutralize attackers. Pryntil has a similar role although it uses a different method.
This role synergizes well with Flooding because only 5 creatures need to be neutralized.
Pryntil is slow to neutralize attacker, but it can contine to use skill for an antimatter like effect 0-1 = -1 -1 = -2 ecc...
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg411163#msg411163
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 08:42:21 pm »
Quote from: Daguerreo on October 16, 2011, 08:35:04 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:05:14 pm
I have no solutions for Sea Wave.

Pryntil
Comments:
Warden (an Earth card in EtG) and Squid are both used to neutralize attackers. Pryntil has a similar role although it uses a different method.
This role synergizes well with Flooding because only 5 creatures need to be neutralized.
Pryntil is slow to neutralize attacker, but it can contine to use skill for an antimatter like effect 0-1 = -1 -1 = -2 ecc...
Yes.

I was giving advice on what to use as a very rough basis for comparison when moving on to steps D and C.
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg419099#msg419099
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 08:15:42 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:42:21 pm
Quote from: Daguerreo on October 16, 2011, 08:35:04 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:05:14 pm
I have no solutions for Sea Wave.

Pryntil
Comments:
Warden (an Earth card in EtG) and Squid are both used to neutralize attackers. Pryntil has a similar role although it uses a different method.
This role synergizes well with Flooding because only 5 creatures need to be neutralized.
Pryntil is slow to neutralize attacker, but it can contine to use skill for an antimatter like effect 0-1 = -1 -1 = -2 ecc...
Yes.

I was giving advice on what to use as a very rough basis for comparison when moving on to steps D and C.
Which cost/atk/def do you think Pryntil should have?
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Re: [Series] Underwater 1.1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30965.msg419111#msg419111
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 09:04:15 pm »
Quote from: Daguerreo on November 01, 2011, 08:15:42 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:42:21 pm
Quote from: Daguerreo on October 16, 2011, 08:35:04 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on October 16, 2011, 08:05:14 pm
I have no solutions for Sea Wave.

Pryntil
Comments:
Warden (an Earth card in EtG) and Squid are both used to neutralize attackers. Pryntil has a similar role although it uses a different method.
This role synergizes well with Flooding because only 5 creatures need to be neutralized.
Pryntil is slow to neutralize attacker, but it can contine to use skill for an antimatter like effect 0-1 = -1 -1 = -2 ecc...
Yes.

I was giving advice on what to use as a very rough basis for comparison when moving on to steps D and C.
Which cost/atk/def do you think Pryntil should have?
cheap/weak/resilient
cheap so it can be played early
resilient so it will be out long enough to have a decent effect
weak so it can be cheap and resilient
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