Zanz's Christmas Present - eljoemo

[bossitron]

Yes, I do think pulverizer would work on a star.

well you go and try to blow up the sun with your mace and see how that goes.

[Espithel]

Yes, I do think pulverizer would work on a star.

well you go and try to blow up the sun with your mace and see how that goes.

Pulverizer is made from star matter, and can destroy itself.
There.

And yes, Eljoemo, I'm saying the card shouldn't be immaterial.

[bossitron]

Yes, I do think pulverizer would work on a star.

well you go and try to blow up the sun with your mace and see how that goes.

Pulverizer is made from star matter, and can destroy itself.
There.

And yes, Eljoemo, I'm saying the card shouldn't be immaterial.

WAIT. since when is pulvy made out of star matter??!?!?!?

[flyingcat]

Yes, I do think pulverizer would work on a star.

well you go and try to blow up the sun with your mace and see how that goes. Oops. How do I fix the shattered sun?

This is a fantasy game after all. Immaterial is just... no. This already bypasses Sundial and hit/miss shields, the opponent needs to have someway of countering it. Maybe make it one use and reduce cost to 4?

[bossitron]

just make it destroyable. game balance > logic

[CrockettRocket]

this card is OP as fk. It needs to be a spell rather then a permanent. As a permanent, you're giving ALL your creatures momentum AND the permanent can't be destroyed. Well why not just make a shard of freedom apply to all creatures, rather then airbourne/air creatures? Hopefully thats not OP, because sofree isn't OP currently.

[bossitron]

this card is OP as fk. It needs to be a spell rather then a permanent. As a permanent, you're giving ALL your creatures momentum AND the permanent can't be destroyed. Well why not just make a shard of freedom apply to all creatures, rather then airbourne/air creatures? Hopefully thats not OP, because sofree isn't OP currently.

it's not actually giving it momentum. it gives it momentum if it wouldn't have been able to attack.

[Devourer]

Did y'all not read the fine print in the OP when it said (We'll just ignore the fact that you can destroy Nightfall and an Eclipse with a mace)?

Anyway, I agree that thematically it fits, but balance wise the star should not be immaterial. And technically, it would be Enchanted/Protected, not immaterial. To fix some of the complaints about this being OP, how about you change the ability cost to 3|2 or 3|3?

[eljoemo]

Realised I never got around to replying to this. Sorry about that, Christmas kind of happened. Anyway, here goes nothing.

Game balance aside, this card fits being immaterial. It could be normally material (if thats the correct terminology) but I think it makes more sense for it not to be. Because you cant damage something that's millions of lightyears away, or because you cant hurt christmas spirit or any other reason that makes sense.

As for balance, I disagree that this is game-breakingly powerful (or "OP as fk"). The upkeep makes it viable only in a monolight or light heavy duo. In the unupped game, mono light has no real rush cards (peggies at best), and a duo would be pretty slow too Id imagine. When in the upped meta, Archangles become a bigger problem, and quanta generation is easier, but there are more threats to this set up. Basically, I think Im trying to say that since Light isnt an "offensive" element, relying on stalls mostly, this card isnt overly powerful. Then again its 1:40am and I dont know what Im thinking any more.

I would rather nerf it with an ability cost increase than by removing the immaterial status, as Devourer said.

[CrockettRocket]

The upkeep makes it viable only in a monolight or light heavy duo.

Oh boiii. Wheres jeni when you need him to prove smth wrong about a accusation of light? Eh, guess Ill fill in as its my favorite element. (I need to change my profile)

Spoiler for please tell me if these qualify as heavy light duos or light monos.:

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Immo-nova

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Immo-nova, or epi-rols for stable light quanta. Depends on the draw which allows strategic diversity as well as lowering the amount of bad hands. Epi makes good use of the present.

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on LS -1 chimera +1 present -1 quantum pillar +1 light pend. Ya know, I had to throw in a rainbow OTK deck.

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Lets not forget about our beloved solar shield! Using this, alfatoxin and a 3rd element you could play all your light cards off of the dang shield! But im sticking to rainbows, so heres a novabow to get solar shield out, rols and epi to make sure i get all the light i need even if someone PCs the shield.

Ill read the rest of your post and see if it motivates me to post quartets and trios.

[CrockettRocket]

Currently you could also use luci, I forgot about that source. Regular mass vanilla creatures, Sopa, luci, hope, and guide OTK. Then luci and adrenalin.
This card, imho, is balenced for unupped meta. The upped card is op as fk.