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Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208338#msg208338
« on: November 24, 2010, 10:42:13 am »
NAME:
Ying-Yang Zebra
ELEMENT:
Light or Darkness (in-game)
COST:
5 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|4
TEXT:
Alternates between :light and :darkness every turn. Any effects from Nightfall stack up to 2 times per Nightfall.
NAME:
Yin-Yang Zebra
ELEMENT:
Light or Darkness (in-game)
COST:
4 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|4
TEXT:
Alternates between :light and :darkness every turn. Any effects from Eclipse stack up to 2 times per Eclipse.
ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/994380 suggested by kuro, will most likely redo later, once I have my laptop back
IDEA:
Memorystick
NOTES:
Buff from Nightfall|Eclipse will stay with Yin-Yang Zebra when it switches from :darkness to :light, hence the limit per Nightfall|Eclipse (so it'd be a slow growth creature with a cap) I'd like to get a gauge on the best limit for it, though.

Holy Light will work as normal- damage while :darkness, healing while :light

Rewinding a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra will result in a Yin-Yang Zebra with cost in :darkness
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kobisjeruk

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208368#msg208368
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 12:05:19 pm »
Quote
How should a rewind work on a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra? Should it be a normal, :light Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :light), or a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :darkness)?
depends on the current state of the zebra
that is IF every characteristic from the zebra changes except the stat when it changes element (meaning the casting cost also change from 4 :light -> 4 :darkness)
if that is the case, then rewinding a :darkness zebra with 4 :darkness c.c. will return the same creature to your hand (except the stat will reset back to normal of course)
but if the cost stays static as 4 :light, then that would be quite a headache

to me, the major issue here isnt that^ but rather the last line of text
"Any effects from Eclipse stack up to 2 times per Eclipse."
either clarify with example or ditch this line altogether

Memorystick

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208384#msg208384
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 12:56:31 pm »
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How should a rewind work on a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra? Should it be a normal, :light Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :light), or a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :darkness)?
depends on the current state of the zebra
that is IF every characteristic from the zebra changes except the stat when it changes element (meaning the casting cost also change from 4 :light -> 4 :darkness)
if that is the case, then rewinding a :darkness zebra with 4 :darkness c.c. will return the same creature to your hand (except the stat will reset back to normal of course)
but if the cost stays static as 4 :light, then that would be quite a headache

to me, the major issue here isnt that^ but rather the last line of text
"Any effects from Eclipse stack up to 2 times per Eclipse."
either clarify with example or ditch this line altogether
Assumption is that going from :darkness -> :light will have it keep the effect of Nightfall|Eclipse- thus allowing it to "grow" by +1(2)|+1 every other turn. Of course, if this isn't the case, then it doesn't matter, and that can be scrapped.

kobisjeruk

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208389#msg208389
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 01:08:23 pm »
i understand that but your explanation doesnt mention anything about "stack 2 times per nightfall/eclipse"
and why is it different for unupped / upgraded, one only see nightfall and the other only check for eclipse? so eclipse wont have any effect on unupped zebra? and vice versa?
too confusing man...

Memorystick

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208391#msg208391
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 01:17:11 pm »
i understand that but your explanation doesnt mention anything about "stack 2 times per nightfall/eclipse"
and why is it different for unupped / upgraded, one only see nightfall and the other only check for eclipse? so eclipse wont have any effect on unupped zebra? and vice versa?
too confusing man...
Oh. No, I just worded it like that to save space, so I used the unupped on the unupped and upped on the upped. Sorry if I fried your brain ^^'
As for the stacking... I wanted it to limit it, but not be too restrictive- so 1 nightfall would support +2|+2 max, a nightfall and an eclipse would support +4|+2, etc. (because eclipse's effect over-rules nightfall's, but nightfall supports an additional 2 effects)

kobisjeruk

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208395#msg208395
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 01:24:00 pm »
Oh. No, I just worded it like that to save space, so I used the unupped on the unupped and upped on the upped. Sorry if I fried your brain ^^'
too late for that
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Ruduen

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg208877#msg208877
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 02:53:49 am »
Would nightfall necessarily stack, though? I mean, I suppose you could specifically state that it stacks, but normally, if you lose the condition which nightfall applies (Namely, when nightfall is destroyed), then you lose the boost that it provides.

Honestly, I could see it going either way.

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg209169#msg209169
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 01:06:29 pm »
Would nightfall necessarily stack, though? I mean, I suppose you could specifically state that it stacks, but normally, if you lose the condition which nightfall applies (Namely, when nightfall is destroyed), then you lose the boost that it provides.

Honestly, I could see it going either way.
Mhm, I mentioned that-

Quote
How should a rewind work on a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra? Should it be a normal, :light Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :light), or a :darkness Yin-Yang Zebra (cost in :darkness)?
depends on the current state of the zebra
that is IF every characteristic from the zebra changes except the stat when it changes element (meaning the casting cost also change from 4 :light -> 4 :darkness)
if that is the case, then rewinding a :darkness zebra with 4 :darkness c.c. will return the same creature to your hand (except the stat will reset back to normal of course)
but if the cost stays static as 4 :light, then that would be quite a headache

to me, the major issue here isnt that^ but rather the last line of text
"Any effects from Eclipse stack up to 2 times per Eclipse."
either clarify with example or ditch this line altogether
Assumption is that going from :darkness -> :light will have it keep the effect of Nightfall|Eclipse- thus allowing it to "grow" by +1(2)|+1 every other turn. Of course, if this isn't the case, then it doesn't matter, and that can be scrapped.
Although I can't think of any creature that changes from one element to another, aside from mutation and fate egg, but that's a whole different can of wyrms.

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg210434#msg210434
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 01:42:13 am »
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-Try to add a picture for the card image; this one can work: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/994380


This reminds me of the 'Tyche | Fortuna' card in the Forge, except swapping elements instead of stats. Personally I feel that it should only gain benefit from Nightfall or Eclipse when it's a Darkness card, and then losing that stat once it reverts back to being a Light card. But that's just my opinion.

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Re: Yin-Yang Zebra|Yin-Yang Zebra https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16263.msg210544#msg210544
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 05:08:51 am »
CURATOR COMMENT
-Try to add a picture for the card image; this one can work: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/994380


This reminds me of the 'Tyche | Fortuna' card in the Forge, except swapping elements instead of stats. Personally I feel that it should only gain benefit from Nightfall or Eclipse when it's a Darkness card, and then losing that stat once it reverts back to being a Light card. But that's just my opinion.
I was going to make a picture myself, but due to personal reasons, I might not be able to. Thanks for the link :)

As for the interaction with nightfall|eclipse, I think that, barring it occuring as you said in-game, it might be better off with the limit per nightfall, 'cause otherwise I think it'd need a -1 cost buff, and it's already in competition with pegasus... Hrm, it's hard to say. Will update pictures shortly.

 

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