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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531418#msg531418
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 06:22:07 am »
I suggest that even though the HP does not increase, you add +0 (+1|+0) to make it more clear.
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531425#msg531425
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 06:42:01 am »
So the "regaining" skill is inside the skill learning, making it lobotomizable?

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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531433#msg531433
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 06:49:24 am »
Yes.  And regardless of the nature of Adrenaline and Gravity Pull, I'll be making exceptions.

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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARD 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531445#msg531445
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2012, 07:30:38 am »
Fractal: Only matters if you are drawing many cards per turn. Remember Fractal is not Drawing. Verdict: Undecided. Abuse not evident.
Overdrive: Reset to 0|14 each turn. That is 2|3 damage per turn. Verdict: UP
Gravity Pull: Is removed at the end of the turn. Verdict: Wasted

Suggestion: "Reset stats and remove statuses each turn."
However note that:
Reseting stats will already render Adrenaline useless (the 2nd attack is a 2nd creature turn thus is 0 atk)
Gravity Pull + Token Drake would be worse than healing 13hp per turn. It might not need excluding.

Note: adrenaline and gravity pull is passive
No. They are status effects. They are not skills. Not even passive skills.
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531450#msg531450
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2012, 07:40:47 am »
No, Acceleration | Overdrive would go through and not reset as it replaces Learning.  And it may be cheap fodder for it, but consider Voodoo Doll.  Same deal but with higher damage output.

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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531452#msg531452
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2012, 07:52:30 am »
No, because it would be lobotomized.
Oh, the resets stats sentence is part of the Learning ability? Voodoo Doll is still better for that usage. Verdict: Barely UP. Within rounding?

In that case there is 1 way to bypass the limits: Mind Flayer, Fractal (Mind Flayer), Drake, Fractal Drake, Shard of Bravery (multiple), Psionic Wave each Drake.
If anyone pulls that off they deserve the 7|14 vanilla Drakes.
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531454#msg531454
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2012, 07:55:16 am »
There's "ablaze" ability that gains +2 | +0 Each Turn.
Maybe it can be a small creature that grows(+1 | +0) for each card is played?
With fast draw, This would be a good creature.
I mean, not returning to its original form.
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531455#msg531455
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2012, 08:01:10 am »
There's "ablaze" ability that gains +2 | +0 Each Turn.
Maybe it can be a small creature that grows(+1 | +0) for each card is played?
With fast draw, This would be a good creature.
I mean, not returning to its original form.

I would, but I feel it doesn't fit with me as thematically.

That and I've already posted that idea.  Look for Chronomancer.

Yes, the stat reset is part of Learning.  Unfortunately, I do not know of a way to make it clearer right now.

As a rule of thumb, if it isn't given it's own ability name, it's part of another ability.  At least with my ideas...

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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531463#msg531463
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2012, 08:16:33 am »
Yes, the stat reset is part of Learning.  Unfortunately, I do not know of a way to make it clearer right now.

As a rule of thumb, if it isn't given it's own ability name, it's part of another ability.  At least with my ideas...
It is sufficiently clear. Good System. In a case where only 3 lines are used you could use a line as a separator. (Does not always look good)
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531505#msg531505
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2012, 01:16:04 pm »
I think it is a brilliant card. It works with any other card, with a particular synergy with Fractal but not OP. And all other possibly powerful combos stated by furball can be already achieved by Voodoo Doll.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2012, 01:37:19 pm »
Personally, I would use you, Drake, and I would Mitosise you instead of Fractaling you, and then I would have a field full of you and I would create a super Catapultimera combo! (Catapult + chimera combo). I know it needs 3 elements ( :life, :time, :gravity) but it worths the effort! :P
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Re: Token Drake | Token Drake [ETG USER CARDS 2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42624.msg531818#msg531818
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2012, 05:16:46 am »
Personally, I would use you, Drake, and I would Mitosise you instead of Fractaling you, and then I would have a field full of you and I would create a super Catapultimera combo! (Catapult + chimera combo). I know it needs 3 elements ( :life, :time, :gravity) but it worths the effort! :P

Voodoo doll costs 2 :darkness and it has 20 HP. Isn't this better?
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