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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233609#msg233609
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 07:16:49 pm »
I say, simply have it ignite in 5 (4) turns. They should be allowed to deflag it. For that matter, you could deflag it to begin with to get off an instant 25 damage for 5 :fire. Now I like it even less.
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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233611#msg233611
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2010, 07:18:59 pm »
I say, simply have it ignite in 5 (4) turns. They should be allowed to deflag it. For that matter, you could deflag it to begin with to get off an instant 25 damage for 5 :fire. Now I like it even less.
So you're suggesting making it worse than UG in almost every way? And the synergy with deflag is the whole point of the card.
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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233618#msg233618
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2010, 07:23:46 pm »
-_- Fine. Make it cost less than UG, make it a mono-element card, make it do more damage, and make it so that all you need is other other card to completely devestate the opponent.
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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233620#msg233620
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 07:27:24 pm »
Your suggestion makes it absurdly easy to destroy. You're only looking at the strengths of this card and not it's weaknesses.

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233626#msg233626
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 07:33:01 pm »
This would create an insane amount of damage when added to a fire stall. Maybe 20 damage? That seems a little more balanced compared with unstable gas, imo.

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233652#msg233652
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 07:58:47 pm »
This with a steal mutant would be wayyyyy too much damage.

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233663#msg233663
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 08:07:28 pm »
This with a steal mutant would be wayyyyy too much damage.
And requires a trio :)

However that could be a problem if you use the card Steal on yourself. Maybe I should change it a little more.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 08:26:20 pm »
However that could be a problem if you use the card Steal on yourself. Maybe I should change it a little more.
Steal doesn't cause it to leave your side of the field. If it can't be coded that way to could have it so Steal doesn't affect it at all. Could be fun :P

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233691#msg233691
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2010, 08:35:48 pm »
I don't really like that's it's basically immune to CC. I guess what I would do is remove that part of it and do 1 of 2 things:

1) Reduce the timer length by one.

2) Give it the ability to reduce the countdown timer by 1 for :fire .

Personally, I like #2 more.

Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233698#msg233698
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2010, 08:43:17 pm »
The main problem I see with this card isn't the resistance to permanent control, it's the fact that it only requires fire quanta.  This card has only two downsides compared to Unstable Gas:

1) By itself, it requires time to go off.
2) Does not damage enemy creatures.

#2 is irrelevant when going for a quick kill, and #1 is made irrelevant by Explosion.  So what you have here is an Unstable Gas that cannot be stopped except by reflective shields (PC from the enemy will just make it go off anyway), and requires less quanta, of only one element.  Healthrough is not necessarily a viable counter, as five of these could be played at the same time, creating a time bomb for 100 damage at once.

It has weaknesses, sure, but only three - the two above cards, which most decks do not carry, and an out-rush tactic.  This card is thus unstoppable by any non-rush that doesn't carry reflective shields.  Pair it with any decent stall tactic and you can also stall rushes long enough to beat them.

My conclusion: this card forms stall-burst combos that can only reliably be countered with reflective shields.  It needs a nerf.  My suggestion would be to add a requirement for another element, but that is too similar to Unstable Gas.  I'm at a loss right now.

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233740#msg233740
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2010, 09:42:43 pm »
On the bright side, It's not UP anymore :P :)) ;D

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Re: Flare Tempest | Bursting Tempest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18344.msg233744#msg233744
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2010, 09:45:44 pm »
Yes thank goodness for that :P
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