Apple of Discord l Apple of Discord

[Newbiecake]

NAME: Apple of Discord ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 5  TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Cause 2 random attacking creatures (ATK > 0) of the opponent to attack each other. Last 3 turns. Stackable.	NAME: Apple of Discord ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 5  TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Cause 2 random attacking creatures (ATK > 0) of the opponent to attack each other. Last 4 turns. Stackable.

ART: Stock for the apple: http://www.playtingtime.com/?p=202 Stock for the background: http://www.pulsarwallpapers.com/postcard.img47049.html Merged and further editted by Noobiecakes. IDEA: My entry for the Card Designing Competition (Mythology). The Apple of Discord (http://www.spiffy-entertainment.com/applediscord.html) is a Greek myth where Zeus set up a wedding banquet for Peleus and Thetis. He planned to invite everyone but Eris, a known troublemaker. Needless to say, Eris was greatly enraged by this. She then thought of a plot of create a little trouble at the reception by creating a golden apple directed to "the prettiest one". This started a brawl on the day of the banquet between several goddesses, who claimed the Apple for themselves because they believed that they were the prettiest one. NOTES: -Immortal creatures do not take damage from the other selected creature. Although immortal creatures can't be harmed by physical forces, it can still be influenced by the Apple to attack the other selected creature. Let's say creature A is immortal and creature B is not. Creature A will attack creature B, but creature B cannot harm creature A. -The card is stackable. What this means is that if you have 2 Apples played, 4 opposing creatures will attack each other. They will be paired up so that creature A and B attack each other, and creature C and D attacks each other. Creature A cannot attacking creature C or D, Creature C cannot attack creature A or B. Also, if the opponent has one less than the amount of creatures your Apples (s) can affect, one of the creatures will be spared. For example, if the opponent has 3 creatures on the field, and you have 2 Apples out, only 2 creatures will be affected out of the 3; one of them is spared because the third creature does not have another creature to attack (so it will attack you like normal). -If creature A is venomous, it will afflict the normal amount of poison counters on the other selected creature, just like how it normally afflicts poison counters on you. SERIES: None

Discussion is welcome.

[Spherical]

Ha. It's about time Entropy get a permanent like this. Nice idea. But in terms of balance, wouldn't 7 turns be a bit too much?

[Newbiecake]

I don't think so. Why? First of all, it's completely random which of the opponent's creatures will attack each other. It's very situational; that's the trademark of Entropy. It may work wonders against a field of dragons, or it could fail against a devourer denial deck with little to no attacking creatures. I originally didn't have a timer but I did added it because it would be OP if it is allowed to stay in play forever. If you get this Apple out early, your opponent is basically not allowed to play any more than 1 creature for 5-7 turns, unless they dish out many creatures at once.

[Newbiecake]

We've got ourselves some art.

Changes: Unupped now cost 1 more  to play. In un unupped enviroment, the Apple of Discord can be quite devastating at times. Upped still cost 5  to play, and the duration has been lowered to 6 turns, as suggested by Spherical.

[Spherical]

Wait I just realized something: what happens if creature A kills creature B before it can retaliate? Would creature C take the place of creature B and attack creature A on that turn?

[Newbiecake]

Wait I just realized something: what happens if creature A kills creature B before it can retaliate? Would creature C take the place of creature B and attack creature A on that turn?

Good point. I didn't catch that before you said it. Well, I think this card should be programmed to make 2 creatures on the opponent's side of the field pre-picked every turn before the opponent's creatures start attacking. If creature A is at a creature slot that is before creature B, creature A attacks first. If the attack doesn't kill creature B, creature B attacks creature A back. If creature was killed by the attack from creature A, nothing would attack creature A on that turn. This is a measure to prevent overpowered-ness. Please note, the pre-picked creatures will not suffer any effects (except Poison, if any) when they attack each other.

I feel that 5 l 6 turns is still a bit too much. Does anyone think the turns turned down a notch more?

[OldTrees]

I have been summoned.

My card cost theories are not broad enough to cover this card however my unreliable gut is willing to give it a go.
This blocks 2 attacks per turn.
Average Attack (sampled before the cat was added) is 4
Average HP is 4.5

Perhaps 3 turns for 6 |4 ? I have very little confidence in this assessment.

PS: Atk<0 also attack. They should not be excluded perhaps? Would not affect above statement.

[GG]

At first I thought this is OP, but then again, seeing pandemonium, it doesn't seem that much OP.

Does it go through immortality? In that case, I think i should change my mind

[Rutarete]

It'd be fun to combo this + adrenaline

[Newbiecake]

I have been summoned.

My card cost theories are not broad enough to cover this card however my unreliable gut is willing to give it a go.
This blocks 2 attacks per turn.
Average Attack (sampled before the cat was added) is 4
Average HP is 4.5

Perhaps 3 turns for 6 |4 ? I have very little confidence in this assessment.

PS: Atk<0 also attack. They should not be excluded perhaps? Would not affect above statement.

Can't argue with the Master of Card Commentator. Taking in the possibility of reducing a field of dragons to nothing, and how it may be OP compared to Pandamonium, I've reduced the duration of this permanent to 3 turns l 4 turns. I don't really like upgraded cards to have less cost, and would rather have them obtain a greater effect. As for making ATK < 0 "attack" each other, that would not go well with Antimatter (since this is an Entropy card, it would ruin the synergy) and it might be confusing.

At first I thought this is OP, but then again, seeing pandemonium, it doesn't seem that much OP.

Does it go through immortality? In that case, I think i should change my mind

Thank you GG. I forgot to state that immortal creatures do not take damage from the other selected creature. Although, immortal creatures can't be harmed by physical forces, but it can still be influenced by the Apple to attack its teamate. Let's say creature A is immortal and creature B is not. Creature A will attack creature B, but creature B cannot harm creature A.

It'd be fun to combo this + adrenaline

You never know which creatures the Apple will target if there are more than 2 opposing creatures on the field. If RNG decides not to target the adren'ed creature, it backfires on you.

The card is now stackable. What this means is that if you have 2 Apples played, 4 opposing creatures will attack each other. They will be paired up so that creature A and B attack each other, creature C and D attacks each other, creature A cannot attacking creature C or D. Also, if the opponent has one less than the amount of creatures your Apples (s) can affect, one of the creatures will be spared. For example, if the opponent has 3 creautres on the field, and you have 2 Apples out, only 2 creatures will be affected out of the 3; one of them is spared.

[Kuroaitou]

CURATOR COMMENT
-Add the  icon after the card's COST in the table so that it matches the image ('5 ' instead of just '5')
-Change the artwork, as it is not usable for the competition.

[vrt]

ART CURATOR BABBLE

- You can forward a copy of the permission to vrt@vrt-designs.com
- Considering the scale of the alterations you made to the image, I would heavily suggest leaving Anca Costache's name in the image as the artist.