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What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212238#msg212238
« on: November 29, 2010, 03:10:51 am »
I said Gimp, because i can not afford to buy anything right now.
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Re: What Program do you want to use? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212244#msg212244
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 03:12:33 am »
I mostly use Adobe Fireworks.
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Re: What Program do you want to use? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212251#msg212251
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 03:16:19 am »
The title is too vague, I am sure many people dont know you are referring to the class.


Also, vrt made it very clear he thought the program didn't actually matter that much and that he wanted to focus more on theory than mechanics. He thinks understanding color theory, shadow theory etc is more important.

That said we may end up starting some sort of class on our own but... if vrt is our leader I don't think it matters what program we use.

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Re: What Program do you want to use? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212253#msg212253
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 03:16:36 am »
I use Paint for basic shapes (just because  I've used it forever and I find it easier to start with) and Artweaver for detail work and everything else.

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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212256#msg212256
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 03:19:58 am »
So, this is important to you all?
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Re: What Program do you want to use? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212263#msg212263
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 03:35:31 am »
...vrt made it very clear he thought the program didn't actually matter that much and that he wanted to focus more on theory than mechanics. He thinks understanding color theory, shadow theory etc is more important.
Bold part for emphasis - what wizelsnarf is saying is correct. Overall, it doesn't quite matter about which program one uses (I prefer using pixlr because I don't need to download any more crap onto my GB-starved PC), because the tools one could use are unimportant when it comes to art theory and subjects. You can buy the top digital-art programs or work with 7-year old coloring pencils; whatever medium an artists takes, they need to figure out how to apply their skills and art understanding to the application at hand.

So, this is important to you all?
I think it's important, but until vrt becomes fairly active again, I'm sure the class will need to be organized in a way for it to truly flourish on the forums. This is a pretty dandy poll to have though... would you like me to sticky it if the art classes start EmeraldTiger?  :)

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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212277#msg212277
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 04:01:31 am »
Sure, do what you think is best. I feel much of what I do here is for the community, and not only for myself. I think most of us that are just starting to do card ideas need this class. Many think they are without talent when it comes to art. I say the just need encouragement and inspiration. I bet most people can do abstract things very easily, but when it comes to images of living things that is our trouble. Theory does help to some degree but there is something else that is needed. this something that must be felt from within,or that is the way it is for me. Another thing that people might need training on is how to judge art.


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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212434#msg212434
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 12:09:51 pm »
I learned photoshop through college, so I myself have only been working with it for a few years. But I'm a quick learner, so I prefer photoshop to all else. It's the best in my mind.

But I'm also versed in Fireworks, as Bloodshadow mentioned that program above. I have only slightly dabbled in GIMP, and never even tried Pixlr.

Personaly, I think you should check out Paint Tool Sai, and Paint.NET. Paint.NET is the program I used before getting photoshop and it's really amazing for a free program. Paint Tool Sai I don't think it free but has a trial. I don't remmeber because it's not in english. But there are websites about and with Paint Tool Sai that come with an English patch.


But I agree with those above talking about theory. I couldn't do what I do now if I didn't learn some color theory/shadows/etc. I don't know too terribly much and have a long way to go with it(I didn't pay too much attention in class >.> and suck with color schemes) But it is a very, much more important part to art than what program you are using. I'd actually be happy to type up some of my notes and papers I took in class(when I can get them out of storage) for everyone interested here. But the internet can teach you far more than my notes XP
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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212498#msg212498
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 02:17:25 pm »
I support Photoshop as well, but I don't want to be the idiot using big words for what has been already said. You guys steal my posting-potential :P
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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212521#msg212521
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 02:46:31 pm »
Here are two 2 Gimp and 2 Photoshop websites with tutorials.
Gimp: http://www.ghuj.com/
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Photoshop: http://psd.tutsplus.com/category/tutorials/
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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212539#msg212539
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 03:09:28 pm »
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Re: What Program do you want to use for art class? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16582.msg212540#msg212540
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 03:12:01 pm »
Many think they are without talent when it comes to art. I say the just need encouragement and inspiration. I bet most people can do abstract things very easily, but when it comes to images of living things that is our trouble. Theory does help to some degree but there is something else that is needed. this something that must be felt from within,or that is the way it is for me. Another thing that people might need training on is how to judge art.
Naturally, desire to create art is the most fundamental part of being an artist -- but that's not something that can be taught or even encouraged.  You cannot teach love of art anymore than you can teach someone to have a certain favourite food or colour.  The desire to create art is obviously already a prerequisite for participating in the class, but we can do nothing to inspire it -- all we can do is try and teach how to cultivate that desire into skill -- which is where theory steps in.  Desiring to be an artist is something you must have on your own.

As for teaching how to be an art critic, that's something that comes naturally as you learn.  As you learn the proper way to create art, you begin to recognize these techniques or lack thereof in other artwork, hence being able to distinguish and put into words what is good or bad about a certain piece of art.

At any rate, I suppose I ought to stop rambling and keep on topic!  c:  I have Photoshop, and have been using it for a few years already.  I have tried other programs, but always end up going right back to Photoshop.  I think it's the best program available to beginners (and veterans alike), but unfortunately it comes with a big, big price tag.  ):

 

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